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The Golden Compass
by Sithking Zero » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:20 pm
All right, who else can't wait to see it? I've been waiting since the first ad. It's one of my favorite books of all time, after all.
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by Malkmusian » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:29 pm
It's too atheist and too anti-Christian, if you must know.
But it does look cool. I just wish that he didn't make God the bad guy.
But it does look cool. I just wish that he didn't make God the bad guy.
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by TrevT93 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:00 pm
Malky wrote:It's too atheist and too anti-Christian, if you must know.
But it does look cool. I just wish that he didn't make God the bad guy.
I'm completely in agreement. Being Christian, I can't bear to hear that the world want to watch something so anti-Christian. Too bad it looks good and has Scholastic's endorsement.
I'm more so disgusted after hearing the summary of the third book in the series, where they do kill off God and right the wrongs at Eden using something so awful, I can't post it. Look it up if you really want to know what happens; I can't stand talking about it. I'll even help you: go to news.google.com and look up Golden Compass Controversy.
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by Tangent128 » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:09 pm
I have no intention of seeing the movie; still, try to keep things calm here. Things around here turn nasty when somebody says "atheist".
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by Carth » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:38 pm
The movie looks really cool, and proportedly they toned down all the atheism stuff, but I think I'm going to read the book before I jump to any conclusions about seeing the movie or not.
by Sithking Zero » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:56 am
I... can't believe you guys. Do you know how angry I am right now?
It's nothing personal... wait, it kind of is. The "His Dark Materiels" series of books is completely awesome from begining to end, and I say that anyone who HASN'T read them and still says that they are aethiest slander needs to shut up, because you are not allowed to talk.
The Golden Compass and its sequals are books that helped me become the person that I am today. They taught me important lessons, like thinking for myself is almost always better then mindless autonomy, or to questiono the world around you. They helped me become who I am. To attack them is to attack me.
Besides, The whole reason that I made this thread was not so that people could have a stupid religious discussion, because that never gets anywhere. When it comes to religion, people's minds are never changed without a long and boring fight, and I personally think that people who are that passionate about it need to chill. I'm not aethiest, I believe that there are forces beyond this world that we cannot understand, and God does exist. I don't belong to a church (though technically I'm a roman catholic).
So, I say a few things.
First off, anyone who calls another person an aethiest or other names for saying that they like The Golden Compass, Shut the (explitive deleted) up. I will report you. I'm not sure who to, but I know that i'm sick and tired of having people judge me for liking what I like. You got a problem with that? You think it's "Wrong," or "Bad?" Well, guess what: GET OVER IT.
Secondly, this is not for discussing the merits (religious or otherwise) of the Golden Compass. The reason for this thread is for the purpose of discussing the movie and/or book. If you want to form a thread about the religious implications of the "His Dark Materiels" series, make your own thread.
It's nothing personal... wait, it kind of is. The "His Dark Materiels" series of books is completely awesome from begining to end, and I say that anyone who HASN'T read them and still says that they are aethiest slander needs to shut up, because you are not allowed to talk.
The Golden Compass and its sequals are books that helped me become the person that I am today. They taught me important lessons, like thinking for myself is almost always better then mindless autonomy, or to questiono the world around you. They helped me become who I am. To attack them is to attack me.
Besides, The whole reason that I made this thread was not so that people could have a stupid religious discussion, because that never gets anywhere. When it comes to religion, people's minds are never changed without a long and boring fight, and I personally think that people who are that passionate about it need to chill. I'm not aethiest, I believe that there are forces beyond this world that we cannot understand, and God does exist. I don't belong to a church (though technically I'm a roman catholic).
So, I say a few things.
First off, anyone who calls another person an aethiest or other names for saying that they like The Golden Compass, Shut the (explitive deleted) up. I will report you. I'm not sure who to, but I know that i'm sick and tired of having people judge me for liking what I like. You got a problem with that? You think it's "Wrong," or "Bad?" Well, guess what: GET OVER IT.
Secondly, this is not for discussing the merits (religious or otherwise) of the Golden Compass. The reason for this thread is for the purpose of discussing the movie and/or book. If you want to form a thread about the religious implications of the "His Dark Materiels" series, make your own thread.
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by Gauntlet » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:14 am
I have yet to read the book, but I'll definitely pick it up sometime, and I'm probably going to watch the film. It reminds me a bit of The Chronicles of Narnia film, which does have a lot of Disney influences, and while they did reduce the religion influences (which, ironically, got fire from both Atheists and Catholics alike), it looks fairly interesting.
by TrevT93 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:37 am
Alright, look. It is anti-Christian (not going to use the "a" word that makes everyone upset and angry in this thread...), so much that Phillip Pullman, the author of "His Dark Materials" explicitly stated this in an interview in 2003:
Yes, it is anti-Christian (again, no use of the "a" word). No, this is not an attack on people who like the movie (it looks pretty cool, no lie; if it weren't based on the anti-Christian novel Northern Lights I might have gone to see it), it is a statement of facts.
If I offend anyone by stating the facts, then sorry.
My books are about killing God.
Yes, it is anti-Christian (again, no use of the "a" word). No, this is not an attack on people who like the movie (it looks pretty cool, no lie; if it weren't based on the anti-Christian novel Northern Lights I might have gone to see it), it is a statement of facts.
If I offend anyone by stating the facts, then sorry.
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by JesusFreak » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:53 am
What TrevT93, Taelia, Tangent128 and Malky said. The books are anti-christian.
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by Andy Waltfeld » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:32 pm
The cast list confirms my theories.
The church (or other secret society, religious or magical, that controls the world) is run by The Master (in this case, Sir Derek Jacobi).
Cast in the name of truth, ye be pawns of a corrupt order.
Gonna see if I can catch this and Beowulf on the same day.
The church (or other secret society, religious or magical, that controls the world) is run by The Master (in this case, Sir Derek Jacobi).
Cast in the name of truth, ye be pawns of a corrupt order.
Gonna see if I can catch this and Beowulf on the same day.
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by Stonecreek » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:07 pm
Carth wrote:The movie looks really cool, and proportedly they toned down all the atheism stuff, but I think I'm going to read the book before I jump to any conclusions about seeing the movie or not.
In the movie, all references to religion are omitted to make it more kid-friendly. The Magesterium is evil, sure, but not theologically based. That's why I'm only mildly interested in seeing the movie. The parallels with Milton and the deep thinking issues were what made the series such a great read. Toning that down to make more money seems wrong, even if Pullman himself was OK with it. I do have to say, though, that it looks a heck of a lot better than the Narnia movie and its upcoming sequel.
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by MY85 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:11 pm
I didn't knew this was anti-Christian until people here started complaining about it.
Heh, when I saw the poster of this movie, I thought this was gonna be like Narnia, Eragon, etc.; meaning that I have no interest in it. The movie being anti-Christian doesn't do anything in favor or against my interest on seeing this movie.
Heh, when I saw the poster of this movie, I thought this was gonna be like Narnia, Eragon, etc.; meaning that I have no interest in it. The movie being anti-Christian doesn't do anything in favor or against my interest on seeing this movie.
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by JesusFreak » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:23 pm
Stonecreek wrote:Carth wrote:The movie looks really cool, and proportedly they toned down all the atheism stuff, but I think I'm going to read the book before I jump to any conclusions about seeing the movie or not.
In the movie, all references to religion are omitted to make it more kid-friendly. The Magesterium is evil, sure, but not theologically based. That's why I'm only mildly interested in seeing the movie. The parallels with Milton and the deep thinking issues were what made the series such a great read. Toning that down to make more money seems wrong, even if Pullman himself was OK with it. I do have to say, though, that it looks a heck of a lot better than the Narnia movie and its upcoming sequel.
But the kids will inveitably want to read the books, and they'll get teh whole anti-Christian Shebang
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by Overcaffeinated Sloth » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:31 pm
Well, I've been waiting to see it for a while, My friends and I are big scifi fans!
Although I'm worried it'll turn into another Narnia, though. Actually, it'sll probably be another narnia without all the religeous crap "and then I woke up" ending.
And calm down, little puppy. Problems arise when there is a rock in front of a wave's path. A wave is no problem. A landslide is.
Although I'm worried it'll turn into another Narnia, though. Actually, it'sll probably be another narnia without all the religeous crap "and then I woke up" ending.
Sithking Zero wrote:
First off, anyone who calls another person an aethiest or other names for saying that they like The Golden Compass, Shut the (explitive deleted) up. I will report you. I'm not sure who to, but I know that i'm sick and tired of having people judge me for liking what I like. You got a problem with that? You think it's "Wrong," or "Bad?" Well, guess what: GET OVER IT.
Secondly, this is not for discussing the merits (religious or otherwise) of the Golden Compass. The reason for this thread is for the purpose of discussing the movie and/or book. If you want to form a thread about the religious implications of the "His Dark Materiels" series, make your own thread.
And calm down, little puppy. Problems arise when there is a rock in front of a wave's path. A wave is no problem. A landslide is.
by JesusFreak » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:37 pm
Huh?
Eh, this is going to inveitably be compared to Narnia.
Eh, this is going to inveitably be compared to Narnia.
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by Sithking Zero » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:19 pm
JesusFreak wrote:Stonecreek wrote:Carth wrote:The movie looks really cool, and proportedly they toned down all the atheism stuff, but I think I'm going to read the book before I jump to any conclusions about seeing the movie or not.
In the movie, all references to religion are omitted to make it more kid-friendly. The Magesterium is evil, sure, but not theologically based. That's why I'm only mildly interested in seeing the movie. The parallels with Milton and the deep thinking issues were what made the series such a great read. Toning that down to make more money seems wrong, even if Pullman himself was OK with it. I do have to say, though, that it looks a heck of a lot better than the Narnia movie and its upcoming sequel.
But the kids will inveitably want to read the books, and they'll get teh whole anti-Christian Shebang
At least it will get them thinking and questioning the world around them. That's good in my book.
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by JesusFreak » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:42 pm
Yes, but how many ten year olds you know get both sides of an argument?
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by JesusFreak » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:23 pm
ThePepsiPiper wrote:how many ten year olds are gonna give a d*mn? They're just gonna want a flippin' polar bear for christmas.
Oh yeah, D'oh!
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by Carth » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:28 pm
ThePepsiPiper wrote:how many ten year olds are gonna give a d*mn? They're just gonna want a flippin' polar bear for christmas.
My word you people say atheism like it's a bad thing. Show some tolerance ya ignorant jerks.
People believe what they want to believe, and that's the way it's always gonna be. We gotta respect that, folks.
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Whatever. What, exactly, is the movie about? As in, the plot?
by MY85 » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:32 pm
ThePepsiPiper wrote:how many ten year olds are gonna give a d*mn? They're just gonna want a flippin' polar bear for christmas.
Yep, a polar bear to attract the little kiddies... they might as well buy the books and then we'll see what happens.
ThePepsiPiper wrote:My word you people say atheism like it's a bad thing. Show some tolerance ya ignorant jerks.
No kidding. The way they use the a-word is just like how others use the n-word. Yep...
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by Exploder » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:53 am
Heh, may I say, pwned? ^
This movie can absolutely be compared to Narnia. It's pretty much the opposite, Narnia is a Christian allegory, and TGC has all sorts of anti-Christian ATHEIST ATHEIST ATHEIST stuff associated with it.
The problem with this is simple: Young children cannot associate right from wrong, and things that they experience can shape their morals.
Now, if a kid is sitting on the sidewalk, picking his nose, and some thug comes and beats up and rapes a woman on the other side of the street, what kind of things will be going through the kid's mind?
Exactly.
Even though the movie has "had all the religious references removed", there's still a problem. Kids are going to see the movie, and want the books. Then, they read the books, and get all this "anti-Christian influence" ATHEIST NONSENSE.
You're probably thinking, so what? The kid likes the book. Whoop-de-freakin' doo for you.
But there's more. This child will begin to question his beliefs because of this book (we all know how impressionable child's minds are) and most likely go against all that is good and holy. Then we have a problem when that kid grows up and thinks it's OK to kill someone to get what you want. (google "The golden compass controversy, or if you've read the books, you know what I'm referring to)
Then we have a generation of whiny brats who think they can get their way through violence.
Sounds a lot like today, huh? Don't even get me started on what caused all that...
All that stuff above may just be a load of crap to you, but it's how I feel. Have a problem. Deal with it.
This movie can absolutely be compared to Narnia. It's pretty much the opposite, Narnia is a Christian allegory, and TGC has all sorts of anti-Christian ATHEIST ATHEIST ATHEIST stuff associated with it.
The problem with this is simple: Young children cannot associate right from wrong, and things that they experience can shape their morals.
Now, if a kid is sitting on the sidewalk, picking his nose, and some thug comes and beats up and rapes a woman on the other side of the street, what kind of things will be going through the kid's mind?
Exactly.
Even though the movie has "had all the religious references removed", there's still a problem. Kids are going to see the movie, and want the books. Then, they read the books, and get all this "anti-Christian influence" ATHEIST NONSENSE.
You're probably thinking, so what? The kid likes the book. Whoop-de-freakin' doo for you.
But there's more. This child will begin to question his beliefs because of this book (we all know how impressionable child's minds are) and most likely go against all that is good and holy. Then we have a problem when that kid grows up and thinks it's OK to kill someone to get what you want. (google "The golden compass controversy, or if you've read the books, you know what I'm referring to)
Then we have a generation of whiny brats who think they can get their way through violence.
Sounds a lot like today, huh? Don't even get me started on what caused all that...
All that stuff above may just be a load of crap to you, but it's how I feel. Have a problem. Deal with it.
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