Obama's Nobel Peace Prize (Now with Healthcare Reform!)

[jym1 offline]

but what has Obama done so far that's "on the right track?" all he did was get elected for promising a bunch of things he can't deliver (just like any president).
and as for donating the money to charity...he's president. He's got everything he could want, he doesn't need the money. Besides, I'm pretty sure that legally he's not allowed to accept money from foreign sources while in office, so he didn't have much choice.

[SearchingLyoko offline]

It's like a user with only 70 posts getting into BKO... you haven't actually gotten there.. so you shouldn't get in yet... you should get in, when you get 5 more posts, but you shouldn't get in just yet.

I still say it's more like getting into BKO with 70 posts because Mewberries likes how you insulted (insert other forumer here). Now you're not only unaccomplished, but you're getting preferential treatment based on something that isn't merit. And that's called "corruption", kiddies.

Actually... Mew still hasn't accepted me yet to my knowledge (or denied).

And... I have over 75 posts...

And... I didn't insult anyone (to my knowledge. If I did I apologize)

And... wow... I should be more on-topic.
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Er...

I'm part of a group that's going to be handing something to President Obama (well, we handed something to a choir singer who's going to hand it to the governor who's going to hand it to the president)... it involves climate change.

So... yeah. If does something related to what we're sending him it will make him more worthy of the Prize

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

The only peace that Obama-supported climate change legislation would bring is the peace of the grave. But that's a debate for another day.

(Also, regarding the BKO application allegory, I was speaking in purely hyopthetical terms. You're still in the green with me, Searching.)

[Vodka's Vengeance offline]

And all he did was make (probably empty) promises. Obama is not that great. He donated a lot of money to charity, which is good, (but as has been said, he's the president, he has way more than he really needs), yet he has a half brother living in a shack. Why doensn't he help him?

One day, people are going to wake up and realize Obama is not a savior and, being a Republican, I am going to laugh heartily when they do. It would've been worth him losing just to see the look on Oprah's face.

[Mewberries151]

*le sigh* Kindly keep the Democrat/Liberal/Republican/Conservative hate to a minimun, yes? *looking at you, Vodka's Vengeance* This has been a mature conversation so far after all.

And for the <i>last</i> time. Grilling Obama for accepting an award you all seem to feel he doesn't deserve accomplishes nothing. The man didn't put his name on the ballot, and he looked terribly confused to learn he'd won it in the first place. That's like coming down on a kid who won the 500 m simply because the faster kid tripped at the finish line or something. If you're going to get upset about him winning it, express it towards the commitee that handles the Nobel Award nominations and selection, because Obama doesn't deserve it.

Also, I still can't believe there's criticism about "empty promises" towards a president who still hasn't been in office for a year yet. Good grief...how many promises did our previous president keep in the 8 years he was in office and how quickly did he get around to them?

Additionally, and this is probably opening up a can of worms that'd probably be better suited to a thread of its own, but so far as Obama being "on the right track" besides climate change goes: Healthcare reform anyone? Pulling troops from Iraq? (...And he did keep his promise to his daughters regarding that puppy- *shot* )

[Vodka's Vengeance offline]

*le sigh* Kindly keep the Democrat/Liberal/Republican/Conservative hate to a minimun, yes? *looking at you, Vodka's Vengeance*

*shrinks under the terrifying gaze of Mewberries*

Still, I mean, what did I say? I am a Republican thank you, and I'm not "hating" on any party. Christ, don't blow things out of proportion. All I'm saying is it's a little weird that people think he's going to magically save the country just because of his skin color. And yeah, it has been less than a year, but he should have made a tiny bit of progress by now, nine months into his presidency. I'm still struggling to pay for college and my friends have parents who are still out of work. Hope he gets a move on soon.

And would you mind telling me why he can donate money to charity (which is good, like I said) yet doesn't help his poor-as-dirt brother living in a shack?

[SilverPrince offline]

And would you mind telling me why he can donate money to charity (which is good, like I said) yet doesn't help his poor-as-dirt brother living in a shack?

Because if he donated money to his brother in a shack, people would complain that he's giving money to Africa and not to people who need it in the country he is leading.

I'm certainly not blaming Obama for getting the prize. I was just saying that he got the prize for not doing a whole lot. As I said, he was nominated the day after he was inaugurated. All the things we're talking about, like how he's gone about health care reform, or making that speech in Cairo and all, that all happened after he was nominated. The Nobel Prize Committee has the responsibility of awarding one of the highest honors on the planet. I don't think they should be giving it to people based on what they might do.

I'm not saying Obama won't do it. I'm just saying that we're still in a bit of an economic jam, there are still US troops in Iraq, many in the Middle East still aren't particularly fond of us and there are still countries like Iran that are trying to make nukes. Obama hasn't had enough time to show us how he will handle these things in reality. Mew is right; we have to give him more time to show us how he will do things. Perhaps the committee should learn patience.

And, I'm just sayin' these are the people who never thought to give Gandhi an award until the year he died. Because the Nobel Peace Prize can't be given posthumously, they just didn't give an award at all in 1943, on the grounds that there "was no suitable living candidate".

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And yeah, it has been less than a year, but he should have made a tiny bit of progress by now, nine months into his presidency. I'm still struggling to pay for college and my friends have parents who are still out of work. Hope he gets a move on soon.

It took us ten years and World War II to get us out of the Great Depression. Things aren't that bad right now, but still, it's going to take a while. You can't expect him to just waltz in and having everything fixed in a year or two.

When Obama got elected, one of the things that I was worried about was "Now people- on both sides- are going to expect that he can just fix everything instantly. They're going to think that this change is going to come in no time at all and they can get back to their lives." Well, obviously, it's going to take longer than just nine months for the economy to improve. It wouldn't surprise me if it goes beyond Obama's term of office.
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[Mewberries151]

*le sigh* Kindly keep the Democrat/Liberal/Republican/Conservative hate to a minimun, yes? *looking at you, Vodka's Vengeance*

*shrinks under the terrifying gaze of Mewberries*

Still, I mean, what did I say? I am a Republican thank you, and I'm not "hating" on any party. Christ, don't blow things out of proportion.

I was mostly referring to the "laughing" at people who have put a lot of hope in Obama's presidency. Having hope is not a bad thing, and neither is looking up to someone for the same reasons you've put your hope in them.

Then again, perhaps that's not what you meant by it. I only get edgy about stuff like this because I've seen similar sentiments on other forums and it's pretty clear those people <i>do</i> mean to make Obama's supporters feel inferior. And the resulting fights are really not pretty in the least. T_T;;

...I chalk this up to the Internet and text making it impossible to hear "tone" and meaning in a post. >_>;


Anyway, seconding what SilverPrince said. Fixes, especially when they are solutions to big problems, just don't happen quickly...and you know what, why would you want them to? A "quick fix" isn't always the "best fix". Why rush a solution when a little more time and thought could result in a better answer in the long run? We'll just have to see.

[Vodka's Vengeance offline]

Well, I hope he does well too. I just don't really think he will.

And people make Obama's supporters feel inferior? Well, to be honest, tough. Now they get an inkling of what Republicans have to go through. Keep in mind, this is a very rough time to be one. Democrats judge every single individual Republican based on Bush's mistakes, when in fact many of us thought he was just as stupid as other parties did.

ANYHOW.... Getting off topic. Back to Obama winning the peace prize.

[JesusFreak offline]

Everything sayable has been said, except I don't cotton do Mew's compairson of Obama to Bush. Obama ran a campaign on how different he is from Dubya, and George isn't running any of the policies now.


Judge the man on his own merits, will ya?

[Mewberries151]

Well, I hope he does well too. I just don't really think he will.

And people make Obama's supporters feel inferior? Well, to be honest, tough. Now they get an inkling of what Republicans have to go through. Keep in mind, this is a very rough time to be one. Democrats judge every single individual Republican based on Bush's mistakes, when in fact many of us thought he was just as stupid as other parties did.[\quote]

So making someone else feel inferior is <i>totally</i> hunky dory because other people did it to you? Vicious cycle much? What ever happened to turning the other cheek? And/or the "different strokes for different folks" approach?

And who are these Democrats that are judging other Republican's based on Bush's mistakes? I've only been aware of Democrats not being happy with some other Republicans when they either support Bush's presidential poilicies and/or make misinformed or skewed statements about important facts just to scare the public. There's also Joe Wilson, but...um...yeah...that's another topic for another thread. >_>;;;

No one should be made to feel bad for their own views and with this presidency there's apparently a lot of that going on. It's rather sad, honestly. But again...that's another topic.

Everything sayable has been said, except I don't cotton do Mew's compairson of Obama to Bush. Obama ran a campaign on how different he is from Dubya, and George isn't running any of the policies now.


Judge the man on his own merits, will ya?

I only compared them to illustrate that saying, "Obama has had months/long enough; he should have done something already," is silly, since most of the presidents don't usually get a move on things until the second year of term, at best. You could compare Obama against Bush, Roosevelt, Kennedy, or whomever you like president-wise ('cept maybe Washington >_>;; ) and it's going to be about the same result. I just used Bush since he's the most recent example of a two-term president who's campaign promises would still be in recent memory.

I agree that presidents should be judged on their own merits.


...Which brings this back to the Nobel Peace Prize. Do Obama's merits (as a person as well as a president) make him a suitable Peace Prize candidate?

[Sithking Zero offline]

Under that logic, Mew, I guess that yes, he should deserve one. He's worked tirelessly to repair America's image (so tarnished after the Bush/Cheney years) and has helped by being a very public figure that people internationally can look up to.

[SearchingLyoko offline]

He has. I've especially admired his green-initiatives (I was working this saturday to install a 21,000 lb piece of green-roof).

As of now... I think he's on the path to earning it. Still think he should earn it first.. but as long as he earns it within his lifetime I guess it wouldn't matter.
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On a sidenote: I still have yet to be accepted (or denied) to BKO. I know I really shouldn't be posting about this a lot, I'm just getting a bit paranoid that I did something wrong and nobody's telling me or something along those general lines.

[JesusFreak offline]

Under that logic, Mew, I guess that yes, he should deserve one. He's worked tirelessly to repair America's image (so tarnished after the Bush/Cheney years) and has helped by being a very public figure that people internationally can look up to.

How does making America look better equal an advancement in peace worthy of a prestigious award?

[SearchingLyoko offline]

Also true...

I think they're saying that many nation do look to us as a role-model... and Obama is trying to straighten us out... clean up our reputation....

[JesusFreak offline]

Also true...

I think they're saying that many nation do look to us as a role-model... and Obama is trying to straighten us out... clean up our reputation....

And therefore people will be happy, and happy intellectuals in model countries = world peace?

Once again, I'm gonna blame the Comitee.

[SearchingLyoko offline]

This is likely an argument with no right answer.

[Vodka's Vengeance offline]

So making someone else feel inferior is <i>totally</i> hunky dory because other people did it to you? Vicious cycle much? What ever happened to turning the other cheek? And/or the "different strokes for different folks" approach?

Yeah, in short, it does. You get what you give.

[SearchingLyoko offline]

So making someone else feel inferior is <i>totally</i> hunky dory because other people did it to you? Vicious cycle much? What ever happened to turning the other cheek? And/or the "different strokes for different folks" approach?

Yeah, in short, it does. You get what you give.

And You give what you've got (I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist posting that).
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Anyways, when exactly does he recieve this prize (as in formal recieving-it ceremony) again? I forgot the date.

[Vodka's Vengeance offline]

So making someone else feel inferior is <i>totally</i> hunky dory because other people did it to you? Vicious cycle much? What ever happened to turning the other cheek? And/or the "different strokes for different folks" approach?

Yeah, in short, it does. You get what you give.

And You give what you've got (I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist posting that).
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Anyways, when exactly does he recieve this prize (as in formal recieving-it ceremony) again? I forgot the date.

I think my brain just short-circuited from trying to comprehend that sentence. Then again, I'm horribly tired, and I'm wondering what I'm doing on a forum at 1:30 in the morning so maybe that's it.

[SearchingLyoko offline]

It's 2:46 in the morning here.
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Anyways, Healthcare just passed in Congress.

Anyone think this affects it in any way? Maybe, maybe not (since it only helps Americans really).

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

Healthcare managed to pass in the dead of night without any news outlets (let alone Fox News) knowing?

Oh, wait, the House did this same (BKO) with Waxman-Markey (better known as the core Cap & Trade bill, AKA the most (BKO) thing you could pass in an economic downswing).

Neither of those bills really affect/were affected by the Nobel Not George W. Bush Prize, but they DO reveal that a Congress hijacked by post-individualist madmen is running on Greenwich Mean Time or later, just like their hopeful European masters.

[Mewberries151]

Healthcare managed to pass in the dead of night without any news outlets (let alone Fox News) knowing?

Oh, wait, the House did this same (BKO) with Waxman-Markey (better known as the core Cap & Trade bill, AKA the most (BKO) thing you could pass in an economic downswing).

Neither of those bills really affect/were affected by the Nobel Not George W. Bush Prize, but they DO reveal that a Congress hijacked by post-individualist madmen is running on Greenwich Mean Time or later, just like their hopeful European masters.

Forgive me if I'm misreading your tone and/or post in general...but are you saying that the Healthcare bill being passed (only in the House, I believe; the Senate still has yet to vote I think), is a <i>bad</i> thing? *blink blink*

[SearchingLyoko offline]

I'm so/so on the Healthcare bill. On one hand, it could help a lot of people. On the other hand, it could hurt some people somehow and he's passing it while we're trillions in debt.

If this thing fails I'm going to move to France and work for MoonScoop or something.
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It does seem fishy to me that they passed it in the dead of night though... or maybe that's just my dramatic flair getting to me. *shrugs*

[Andy Waltfeld offline]

Forgive me if I'm misreading your tone and/or post in general...but are you saying that the Healthcare bill being passed (only in the House, I believe; the Senate still has yet to vote I think), is a <i>bad</i> thing? *blink blink*

You read right. Though I didn't know it had only gone through the House until this morning since, you know, they did it in a zero-publicity, dead-of-night session the same way they did Waxman-Markey.

Now bear in mind, I'm young and stupid and thus have no strong feelings one way or the other about healthcare unless (until?) the government decides there should be a surcharge on people who aren't covered by any sort of insurance (government-provided or no), primarily because that would make it so much harder/less cost-effective for employers to hire all the teens fresh out of school with their diplomas and/or degrees in Listening To Idiots With Tenure Advocate Marxism All Day.

Cap-and-Trade, on the other hand, makes it cost more to hire and pay EVERYBODY and dramatically increases home heating/lighting costs. The latter will especially become a serious burden on low-income houses that are too busy scrounging up rent & food money to pay the extra cost for green utilities.

But this thread is about a participation trophy that was announced months ago and won't be formally awarded until December. If you wish to talk turkey regarding other issues of the day, PM me with a notification of your interest and I'll set up a topic in BKO for the job.