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[Reesane offline]

Lemme rephrase it....Compared to every religion in the U.S.A, atheism is a minority

Hold on a sec. I know this is off topic, but I need to say something.... It's getting on my nerves, and I know it's getting on almost everyone else's nerves too.

It sounds like you know almost nothing about atheists, JF. Why don't you take the time to try to learn something about us before you go and bash us?

Atheism 101

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Ok, back on topic.

While I believe that marriage rights cannot be discriminated upon by age/race/sex/religion/social class, I do believe that there are certain lines which should not be crossed. Like I stated earlier, 13 year olds should not marry. What I meant by that was something along the lines of "13 year old girl marries 18 year old man", not "13 year olds marring each other". Like wise, I don't think you should marry someone who is old enough to be your parent or young enough to be your child, but whatever floats there boat (as long a both parties are over the age of 18, of course).....

Now, I must admit. I dislike the institution of marriage. I think it's only a legal binding contract which helps to manage money and belongings inorder to support and raise a family. You see, my mother was born out of wedlock. My grandmother and my grandfather lived together for around 20 years, they simple didn't get around to marrying. The priest (or is it pastor? I need to look that up....) often commented that they "Were more married than most married couples."

However, I still think that all people who want to be married should be able to married. I understand that it carries more meaning to most people than it does to me, and that my personal opinion should not take away from what they want to do with their lives.

[JesusFreak offline]

AngelBolt, I am trying (and failing) to say something about respecting the rights and freedoms of others. I was trying to show that atheists (or Secular Humanists, take your pick) aren't entirely innocent here too.
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MY85, I am not Catholic, so I'm not up to date on all their policies on everything, butr i'm going by the Bible here.
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BAB, you...don't wanna know

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Reesane, are athiests a minority or not? What the heck is offensive by saying atheists are a minority? I am not bashing you, any other atheists, or Madeline Murray O'Hare. I am trying to get a point across. I am not placing all athiests inder one banner. I am Tlaking about teh ACLU lawyer type.


I'll get out more later, when i don't have to leave somewhere in 5 minutes.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

I dont even understand how 2 chicks can get married... How does the sex work??

Heh, yeah. That's why I'll never be gay or lez or bi or anything... It just doesn't go.

ANd talking about atheism and the censorship of christmas (While I see where you're going with it, now that I look back, ) still has absolutely nothing to do with sex and/or marriage. That's the point! Now either finish up your connections in your posts, or just drop it and move on! That's all!

And if you don't have time right now, then post it later. Forums work better when you're not posting in the same thread over and over and over again within an hour.

[twilightchaos09 offline]

Reesane, are athiests a minority or not? What the heck is offensive by saying atheists are a minority? I am not bashing you, any other atheists, or Madeline Murray O'Hare. I am trying to get a point across. I am not placing all athiests inder one banner. I am Tlaking about teh ACLU lawyer type.

Lemme rephrase it....Compared to every religion in the U.S.A, atheism is a minority

NO! No, they are NOT a Minority!!! Stop saying they are! And it sure sounds like you ARE bashing us. So stop. Being Aethiest isn't a bad thing, which you're basically saying it is. And it's doing nothing but annoying me. And if it sounds like I hate religious people, you're wrong. I only hate the ones that try forcing a religion down you're through.*coughN-TOWAcoughcough* A lot of my online friends ARE Christian or the like. But we respect eachother's veiws. And...wow. That was way off-topic. x.x

Back on topic, my veiws of this didn't change at all. Who are we to try and tell someone who they can and cannot marry?

[MY85 offline]

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MY85, I am not Catholic, so I'm not up to date on all their policies on everything, butr i'm going by the Bible here.
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You're not Catholic, yet you have the urge to shove the Catholic/Christian religion in our faces?

Ok, look: Atheists and *insert religion of choice*-shoving people can be equally annoying. Period.

Reesane, are athiests a minority or not? What the heck is offensive by saying atheists are a minority?

You apparently seem to talk about them in a disrespectful tone. You don't seem to realize this.

I am not placing all athiests inder one banner.

You have done this before. You're still doing this again.

[twilightchaos09 offline]

THANK YOU, RODRI!!! That was entirely what I was trying to say, just wasn't sure how to word it.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

*Sigh*

I'm sorry, I have to agree with Rodri on this one. Please understand that there's more than just a few words and ideas behind these names. They're still people, and theyre still ideas, and you should respect that as much as possible. That's not saying it's the minority, like it's all the small little guy that no one really needs to tend to. Remember, just let it go, step back, and come back to the subject. post like it's the first time you've seen this thread, you're the first post, and you're replying to the first post. That's all.

[MY85 offline]

I dont even understand how 2 chicks can get married... How does the sex work??

Three words: *ss to *ss.

Watch Requiem For A Dream. Seriously, it's a very good drug-movie.

[JesusFreak offline]

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MY85, I am not Catholic, so I'm not up to date on all their policies on everything, butr i'm going by the Bible here.
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You're not Catholic, yet you have the urge to shove the Catholic/Christian religion in our faces?

I am not Catholic. I am a protestant. there's quite a bit of a difference

Ok, look: Atheists and *insert religion of choice*-shoving people can be equally annoying. Period.

Especially if the one you're tlaking about pulled a muscle in teh arm he uses eveything for and is in pain, like me. I looked over my last few posts and i see I sounded like I had a tree up my nose. I apologize.

Reesane, are athiests a minority or not? What the heck is offensive by saying atheists are a minority?
You apparently seem to talk about them in a disrespectful tone. You don't seem to realize this.

No, I'm not fluid in Politically Correct-ese. If that's disrespect, then anyone who isn't a politician is disrespectful. Saying Atheis instead of Secular-Humanis, naturalist, or whatever label they put themselves under

I am not placing all athiests inder one banner.

You have done this before. You're still doing this again.

Actually, I should of been clearer when I was talking about the ACLU. once again,


I also wouldlike to apologize to the mods and admins. I knowingly brought this off-topic for an argument that didn't need addressing in this thread.

[Reesane offline]

I've found that 95% of the homosexual marriage issue is religious in origin. However, the fact that the united states is a secular country makes religious discussion in this topic irrelevant. That leaves us with the remaining 5% to debate, which isn't much.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

Reesane, are athiests a minority or not? What the heck is offensive by saying atheists are a minority?
You apparently seem to talk about them in a disrespectful tone. You don't seem to realize this.

No, I'm not fluid in Politically Correct-ese. If that's disrespect, then anyone who isn't a politician is disrespectful. Saying Atheis instead of Secular-Humanis, naturalist, or whatever label they put themselves under

Well that's interesting... you'e arguing with yourself. Think that's telling you something?

This is your last warning guys, If you egg each other on again, I'm locking till wednesday.

[JesusFreak offline]

That was a glitch MY said it, and I messed up teh name.

[ConcreteAngel offline]

I've found that 95% of the homosexual marriage issue is religious in origin. However, the fact that the united states is a secular country makes religious discussion in this topic irrelevant. That leaves us with the remaining 5% to debate, which isn't much.

The U.s was founded on Christian (or, since I dont want to get blasted like Jesusfreak, Judeo-Christian Principles) Principles. We moved away from that and look what happened!


Thats for another thread.

[Mewberries151]

I've found that 95% of the homosexual marriage issue is religious in origin. However, the fact that the united states is a secular country makes religious discussion in this topic irrelevant. That leaves us with the remaining 5% to debate, which isn't much.

The U.s was founded on Christian (or, since I dont want to get blasted like Jesusfreak, Judeo-Christian Principles) Principles. We moved away from that and look what happened!


Thats for another thread.

...You're joking right?

You're blaming the fact that we've decided to accept other religions and views as being the cause of what's wrong with this country?

I'm sorry, but that's a horribly misinformed and highly insulting opinion if you ask me. ...If that's indeed what you're saying. If that's not...I'd have to say that unfortunately that's the opinion your post gives off.

You guys have been warned time and time again to stop acting condescending towards religions and views that are different from yours. There need to be some serious changes or thread locking isn't going to be the only thing done about this. LF is not a religion forum and it is certainly not going to cater to any one religion or view.

And this is the final warning. Kindly start showing some understanding and kindly get back on-topic, or this thread will be locked, among other things.

[JesusFreak offline]

Z, don't blame stagflation on the Bhuddists.


On the other hand, I don't think that's what she (Zaruko) was talking about. Look at TV nowadays. do you think The Sopranos, Two and a half men, or even Monk woulda aired ten years ago? there's something messed up in this country. I don't blame other religions, but something is blowing our ethical standards into teh area of Jerry Springer.

And another thing, Just because we present one side of the story, that doesn't mean we aren't open to debate.

[Kamekai offline]

Look at TV nowadays. do you think The Sopranos, Two and a half men, or even Monk woulda aired ten years ago? there's something messed up in this country. I don't blame other religions, but something is blowing our ethical standards into teh area of Jerry Springer.

Ooh, a perfect time to rant about America! Now, I've noticed a pattern in America's history:

With national wealth comes an uninterested population. An uninterested population leads to political freedom of the government. This leads to a politically corrupt government. A politically corrupt government leads to revolting citizens. With revolting citizens comes new ideas. This leads to a steady loss in government funding, thus diminishing the national wealth. New ideas and new people in charge ususally leads to a growing national economy and wealth. The cycle repeats itself. Low ethical values fit somewhere within there, I guess.

[JesusFreak offline]

This is worthy of a new thread.


On topic,
http://www.narth.com/docs/nothardwired.html
http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatcauses
http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp
http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56481
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/4216/CFI/c ... /index.htm
http://www.venusmagazine.org/cover_story.html

Is homosexuality really inbred?

[Ghost Guest offline]

I don't think it matters. People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect negatively the lives of others. I fail to see how same-sex marriage affects anyone who isn't involved with it.

[TB3]

Okay - I'm a Christian (Protestant Church of Wales and a little bit of Anglican when I'm at university in England) - the actions of many Christians on this thread frustrate me, in the shallow and close-mindedness they display.

Guys, just because it's your belief system, doesn't mean everyone else has to share it, or that you are automatically right - that's not too many steps away from extremism. Respect and equality are essentials, not only on this forum, but also in life in general.

Regarding the much-touted statement that the US was founded on Judeo-Christian principles - so what!? The UK is officially a Christian state with an official state church - does this mean other religions are not welcome - NO! We've got plenty of synagogues and mosques to go round and I feel those people are welcome both in this country and to worship whatever deity they choose too, and also to receive equal treatment in the eyes of the law and not have to conform to fundamental Christian values. For the record, I'm much in support of the rights of gays and lesbians to marry.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but regardless of the whole 'one nation under God' thing, isn't a key part of America's historical greatness 'the melting pot' - remember the poem most often associated with the Statue of Liberty:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me"

America was founded on Christian Principles by the Puritans, who were religious extremists and nutters of the worst order (Britain had a Puritan government for a time under Oliver Cromwell so I do know what I'm talking about), and then refounded by the founding fathers on the principle of freedom, and then in the 19th and 20th centuries opened her arms to all peoples of the earth, their cultures and creeds included.

Based on that history, I think it's unfair to say that because America was founded by Christians that Christian values should be the bedrock of law - no, common human values should form the bedrock of law, and the great self-evident truth that "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

And let's not forget the separation of Church and State - given that America is composed of multiple peoples and faiths, the state and government should not be biased towards any one faith, nor should state institutions like schools reflect any one religious bias or agenda.

Ergo: Homosexuality and Same-Sex Marriage cannot be morally denied to the people who desire it without renouncing America's great history of welcoming other countries, peoples, beliefs, faiths, ideas and ways of thinking unto her bosom.

There you go - you just got lectured on American political and religious history by a Brit. Go figure.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

Ahh, thanks you TB3. Very nice international first opinion! JF, I suggest you pay attention. He's Welsh. And that ain't in Canada, my friend, oh no.

BTW, JF... i notice that right after MewB's post, you once again go off topic. I think you're missing alittle something here again, when a mod or admin (specially an admin) makes a post sking you to stop, you STOP. Consider it running a stopsign. You can run it all you want, but one day there'sll be a cliff on the other side of that little bit of metal.

And we very so kindly have a rant thread about America in the State of the Union thread, so the whole argument can be neatly folded away and ported to that topic over there!

And to be back on topic: Whatever. The topic's getting kind of old. And it's not even like you relly need marriage anyways... You can always change your name, and it's just generating attention.

BTW: has anyone noticed that if a heterosexual couuple love each other but aren't in marriage, it's considered repulsive, but if a Homosexual couple is in love and get married, it's even more repulsive? Who else thinks the social formation is a tad redundant?

And just to be a little off topic:

I've got it!
One nation, Under Dog...
One naton, under Canada, above Mexico...
Someone bless America......

I'm gonna change my local to that one...
Gawd I love Robin Williams!