Christians

[Jeremified offline]

http://baetzler.de/humor/ebonics_prayer.html

I really, really liked that.

Ditto. That was pretty nice.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

Look, I just have to stand up and say somthing before this gets out of hand.

Every time I've ever seen a "Christian Club" (or any religios or political party group) form inside of a fourum, one of three things happen:

A) Masive flame war breaks out, memers of the Christian Club are baned.
B) Masive flame war breaks out, many mebers leave for other fourums in discust. This usualy results in the death of the fourum.
C) Masive flam war breaks out, fourum's reputation is forever tarnished.

Let's stop this right now.

"It doesn't matter what my Age/Race/Sex/Religion/Political Alignment/ social status I have. I am a member of this forum, and I will treat all other members with the same amount of dignity and respect as I wish to be treated."

Reesane, actually, so far things have been pretty calm about all this. And trust us, if a flame war Does break out, the Mods and Admins can clean it up, okay?

Not that there's anything wrong with saying all this out loud. Who knows? SOme people might have been thinking it, but never got around to posting.

Still though, no worries!

[JesusFreak offline]

Look, I just have to stand up and say somthing before this gets out of hand.

Every time I've ever seen a "Christian Club" (or any religios or political party group) form inside of a fourum, one of three things happen:

A) Masive flame war breaks out, memers of the Christian Club are banned.
B) Masive flame war breaks out, many members leave for other fourums in disgust. This usualy results in the death of the forum.
C) Masive flame war breaks out, forum's reputation is forever tarnished.

Let's stop this right now.

"It doesn't matter what my Age/Race/Sex/Religion/Political Alignment/ social status I have. I am a member of this forum, and I will treat all other members with the same amount of dignity and respect as I wish to be treated."

First of all, Having a sig that says you're a Christian doesn't mean you're in a club. Second of all, who sadi we're gonna treat nonchristians like dirt? If anything, life will be the exact same here, but with a Christian sig for the taking.

[TB3]

What about this though, what if instead of making a list of all the LF Christians for a sig, we make a sig to show off our Christianity. no one is required to use it, but those that chose to will have something... Just a thought.

Again though, it seems to be classifying forum members - not in a silly way like the Lyokologists and so forth, but in a very serious way - I honestly don't see that option taking us down any good road - again though, if you want to discuss it, contact any of us staff members

[Sithking Zero offline]

Look, I just have to stand up and say somthing before this gets out of hand.

Every time I've ever seen a "Christian Club" (or any religios or political party group) form inside of a fourum, one of three things happen:

A) Masive flame war breaks out, memers of the Christian Club are banned.
B) Masive flame war breaks out, many members leave for other fourums in disgust. This usualy results in the death of the forum.
C) Masive flame war breaks out, forum's reputation is forever tarnished.

Let's stop this right now.

"It doesn't matter what my Age/Race/Sex/Religion/Political Alignment/ social status I have. I am a member of this forum, and I will treat all other members with the same amount of dignity and respect as I wish to be treated."

First of all, Having a sig that says you're a Christian doesn't mean you're in a club. Second of all, who sadi we're gonna treat nonchristians like dirt? If anything, life will be the exact same here, but with a Christian sig for the taking.

He never said that Christians would treat non-christians like dirt. I think he's just saying this so that there is no massive flame war that ends LF.

Heck, when I first saw this thread, that was my first reaction. "This could be trouble." I don't hate christians (i'm one), but I do know some christians who make me wish that it was okay to revoke right to free speech. The point is that there are some people out there who get very passionate about certain topics, and sometimes passion is not a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, I admire these people for having something that they're so passionate about. I wish that I had something to be that passionate about. I don't, sadly.

But I digress. My point is that... well, I like this forum. A lot. I like the people, I like the atmosphere, I like the easygoing attitude, the callous disregard for the lives of spambots, all of it. And a flame war would ruin all of that. The easy-goingness would be replaced by tension, people would leave, and we'd be known as a bad site from word-of-mouth.

I just want to protect the forum.

[. offline]

actually we had one christian thread before this and it got into this really deep discussion about theology and it was all pretty interesting. Then Darkborn decided to have a bug up his rear end and was all "THERE IS NO GOD! STOP YOUR TALKING CAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE BLAH BLAH BLAH"

and well that was the end of the thread, and I'm pleasently surprised it hasn't happened yet. that being said....

...well I was never gonna say anything about the sigs, but they do make the whole place seem rather kliqish don't you think? Despite it being intentional or not.

[JesusFreak offline]

Well, i ca see where you're coming grom about the clique thing, but mystical princess chii and I had no intention of starting a clique. i've gon toe-to-toe with a few at my old school and I wouldn't wish one on CodeLinks!
P.s: if my spelling is terrible, I have a terrible headcold and its messing me up.

[TB3]

Well, i ca see where you're coming grom about the clique thing, but mystical princess chii and I had no intention of starting a clique. i've gon toe-to-toe with a few at my old school and I wouldn't wish one on CodeLinks!
P.s: if my spelling is terrible, I have a terrible headcold and its messing me up.

No worries and kudos for your responsibility in keeping this thread on the proverbial straight and narrow - and I hpe your cold clears up soon

[JesusFreak offline]

Thank you for the Kudos. I've tried my Hardest not to be all YOUR ALL WRONG YOUR GOING TO H*LL SO GET READY MUAHAHAHAHA because that is not only annoying, but damaging to someone's reputation (not to mention Painful to read),
and it always ends up in another guy going NO THERE IS NO GOD YOU'RE A EASILY SWAYED FOO SO YOU DUMB. THen the mods are all SHADDAP!! on the thread in question.


Oh, and Tekirai, the difference between Catholics and Protestants is basically Catholics have a bunch of rituals and believe in Purgatory(lke a Jail cell for ppl going to heaven. Basically A person needs to be prayed out or something) and Confession (Telling an ordained priest your sins so you can be forgiven) and some differences on doctrine (Infant Baptism, Communion etc.) While protestants believe that there is no Purgatory (where exactly is that in the Bible?) and You can Pray to God Himself to forgive your sins. Does that help?

[DeadViolet offline]

My dad was being a Butthole a few weeks ago, and said Catholics were going to hell.....

Does it matter what denomination we are? It all matters that we beleive in Jesus and God, right?

(I'M UBER SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY OF YOU. MY DADDY'S THE CULPRIT, HERE. D<)

[Kamekai offline]

Oh, and Tekirai, the difference between Catholics and Protestants is basically Catholics have a bunch of rituals and believe in Purgatory(lke a Jail cell for ppl going to heaven. Basically A person needs to be prayed out or something) and Confession (Telling an ordained priest your sins so you can be forgiven) and some differences on doctrine (Infant Baptism, Communion etc.) While protestants believe that there is no Purgatory (where exactly is that in the Bible?) and You can Pray to God Himself to forgive your sins. Does that help?

Yeah, us Catholics are all about rules & no fun. I've been to a few Protestant masses, and I've had fun there. I, personally, would rather be a protestant, but my parents... =/

[. offline]

Thank you for the Kudos. I've tried my Hardest not to be all YOUR ALL WRONG YOUR GOING TO H*LL SO GET READY MUAHAHAHAHA because that is not only annoying, but damaging to someone's reputation (not to mention Painful to read),
and it always ends up in another guy going NO THERE IS NO GOD YOU'RE A EASILY SWAYED FOO SO YOU DUMB. THen the mods are all SHADDAP!! on the thread in question.


Oh, and Tekirai, the difference between Catholics and Protestants is basically Catholics have a bunch of rituals and believe in Purgatory(lke a Jail cell for ppl going to heaven. Basically A person needs to be prayed out or something) and Confession (Telling an ordained priest your sins so you can be forgiven) and some differences on doctrine (Infant Baptism, Communion etc.) While protestants believe that there is no Purgatory (where exactly is that in the Bible?) and You can Pray to God Himself to forgive your sins. Does that help?

Also location, Catholics harbor around the east coast while the protestants make up most of the united states. and In fact, Protestant is the number 1 religion in America. Thats why through out history the only catholic president we've ever had was John F. Kennedy.

[Gauntlet offline]

My dad was being a Butthole a few weeks ago, and said Catholics were going to hell.....

Does it matter what denomination we are? It all matters that we beleive in Jesus and God, right?

(I'M UBER SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY OF YOU. MY DADDY'S THE CULPRIT, HERE. D<)

It shouldn't even matter what religion you believe in; so long as you're good to yourself and your conscience, there's no reason to go to Hell (if it even exists, I daresay). That's one reason why religion irks me; most people have to restrain themselves from labeling anyone Hell-bound because they don't believe in God.

God would be pretty...stupid and cruel if he sent someone like Thich Quang Duc to hell just for being Buddhist, as an example. Then you also have to take into account all of the people in the world (B.C.) who were not/have not been introduced to Christianity; Hell would be packed to the brim with a lot of Japanese as well (Buddhist and Shintoism). Too bad most of the anime in the world comes from a bunch of [sarcasm]sinners[/sarcasm], eh?

(This isn't directed at you, misha-san; I just saw it as opening to bring the subject up.)

[. offline]

My dad was being a Butthole a few weeks ago, and said Catholics were going to hell.....

Does it matter what denomination we are? It all matters that we beleive in Jesus and God, right?

(I'M UBER SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY OF YOU. MY DADDY'S THE CULPRIT, HERE. D<)

It shouldn't even matter what religion you believe in; so long as you're good to yourself and your conscience, there's no reason to go to Hell (if it even exists, I daresay). That's one reason why religion irks me; most people have to restrain themselves from labeling anyone Hell-bound because they don't believe in God.

God would be pretty...stupid and cruel if he sent someone like Thich Quang Duc to hell just for being Buddhist, as an example. Then you also have to take into account all of the people in the world (B.C.) who were not/have not been introduced to Christianity; Hell would be packed to the brim with a lot of Japanese as well (Buddhist and Shintoism). Too bad most of the anime in the world comes from a bunch of [sarcasm]sinners[/sarcasm], eh?

(This isn't directed at you, misha-san; I just saw it as opening to bring the subject up.)

See now if most of the religious world was like the above, I'd probbly have a religion instead of being agnostic.

[Darth Grale offline]

My dad was being a Butthole a few weeks ago, and said Catholics were going to hell.....

Does it matter what denomination we are? It all matters that we beleive in Jesus and God, right?

(I'M UBER SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY OF YOU. MY DADDY'S THE CULPRIT, HERE. D<)

It shouldn't even matter what religion you believe in; so long as you're good to yourself and your conscience, there's no reason to go to Hell (if it even exists, I daresay). That's one reason why religion irks me; most people have to restrain themselves from labeling anyone Hell-bound because they don't believe in God.

God would be pretty...stupid and cruel if he sent someone like Thich Quang Duc to hell just for being Buddhist, as an example. Then you also have to take into account all of the people in the world (B.C.) who were not/have not been introduced to Christianity; Hell would be packed to the brim with a lot of Japanese as well (Buddhist and Shintoism). Too bad most of the anime in the world comes from a bunch of [sarcasm]sinners[/sarcasm], eh?

(This isn't directed at you, misha-san; I just saw it as opening to bring the subject up.)

God wouldn't send Thich Quang Duc to Hell Because He's a Buddhist, he would send Him to Hell for not having a relationship with Him and not accepting His offer of salvation.

[Gauntlet offline]

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God wouldn't send Thich Quang Duc to Hell Because He's a Buddhist, he would send Him to Hell for not having a relationship with Him and not accepting His offer of salvation.

Really, then? You know, last I thought, God was omniscience and benevolent, and didn't ask his followers to determine who goes to Hell and doesn't. I thought religion was just a name (that has since been corrupted halfway to Tuesday, mind you) that only gave people reason to fight. If God is love, then why should the name of your religion be significant? If God sends you to hell because you choose not to associate yourself with Christianity, but you are a good, loving person anyways, then he's no God of mine.

I'd be completely willing to decline "God's" offer of salvation if I knew Thich Quang Duc was banished to hell because he did not accept man's words of God that have been twisted for convenience (or you know, answer B., that he was just around Buddhism a lot more and became more accustomed with the message, but I like the former more, sounds much better in this context). I'd be right there besides the Atheists, Muslims, and every other conceivable religion, even the The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, if I knew they were good people, and wholeheartedly bearing the flames of Hell alongside them.

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein.

For those who don't care to read into it <s>*blows a raspberry*</s>: do you simply follow Christianity (and act as a good person) because you are afraid of going to Hell and are expecting salvation, or because you want to be a good person just because, with religion having no placement? If Einstein was still alive, he'd rehash that statement. Christians are a sorry lot, indeed.


...I love being Christian. I can talk a lot of crap about my own religion without being labeled a terrorist. Or a Muslim. <s>Oh wait, I forgot, those are interchangeable, aren't they? Silly Christians, "Kill the infidels", amirite?</s> Though I guess you all still have to right to lynch me or something like that. Blasphemy, and all that funny stuff that tickles me at night under the covers.

I'm obviously not talking about all Christians here. There are quite a few healthy minded Christians/Catholics/other denominations, on this forum, other forums, and all over the world, and I am not directing this post at them. The vast majority seem to have the same mindset as MWMFJ, and those are the ones who I am targeting with my post. The Muslim tidbit is blatant sarcasm as well, and perhaps a poke at the media.

[. offline]

My dad was being a Butthole a few weeks ago, and said Catholics were going to hell.....

Does it matter what denomination we are? It all matters that we beleive in Jesus and God, right?

(I'M UBER SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY OF YOU. MY DADDY'S THE CULPRIT, HERE. D<)

It shouldn't even matter what religion you believe in; so long as you're good to yourself and your conscience, there's no reason to go to Hell (if it even exists, I daresay). That's one reason why religion irks me; most people have to restrain themselves from labeling anyone Hell-bound because they don't believe in God.

God would be pretty...stupid and cruel if he sent someone like Thich Quang Duc to hell just for being Buddhist, as an example. Then you also have to take into account all of the people in the world (B.C.) who were not/have not been introduced to Christianity; Hell would be packed to the brim with a lot of Japanese as well (Buddhist and Shintoism). Too bad most of the anime in the world comes from a bunch of [sarcasm]sinners[/sarcasm], eh?

(This isn't directed at you, misha-san; I just saw it as opening to bring the subject up.)

God wouldn't send Thich Quang Duc to Hell Because He's a Buddhist, he would send Him to Hell for not having a relationship with Him and not accepting His offer of salvation.

I reject that view of God. There is a girl, I consider very dear to me. She is a lesbian and she is also a pagen... but she is also in my very opinion the most sweetest finiest example of a human being I have ever met. Ever kind. Ever forgiving. Always helping at her own self-sacrafice. I refuse to accept a God into my heart that would send her to burn in Hell.

[JesusFreak offline]

[...must make this post seem shorter...]

God wouldn't send Thich Quang Duc to Hell Because He's a Buddhist, he would send Him to Hell for not having a relationship with Him and not accepting His offer of salvation.

Really, then? You know, last I thought, God was omniscience and benevolent, and didn't ask his followers to determine who goes to Hell and doesn't. I thought religion was just a name (that has since been corrupted halfway to Tuesday, mind you) that only gave people reason to fight. If God is love, then why should the name of your religion be significant? If God sends you to hell because you choose not to associate yourself with Christianity, but you are a good, loving person anyways, then he's no God of mine.

I'd be completely willing to decline "God's" offer of salvation if I knew Thich Quang Duc was banished to hell because he did not accept man's words of God that have been twisted for convenience (or you know, answer B., that he was just around Buddhism a lot more and became more accustomed with the message, but I like the former more, sounds much better in this context). I'd be right there besides the Atheists, Muslims, and every other conceivable religion, even the The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, if I knew they were good people, and wholeheartedly bearing the flames of Hell alongside them.

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein.

For those who don't care to read into it <s>*blows a raspberry*</s>: do you simply follow Christianity (and act as a good person) because you are afraid of going to Hell and are expecting salvation, or because you want to be a good person just because, with religion having no placement? If Einstein was still alive, he'd rehash that statement. Christians are a sorry lot, indeed.


...I love being Christian. I can talk a lot of crap about my own religion without being labeled a terrorist. Or a Muslim. <s>Oh wait, I forgot, those are interchangeable, aren't they? Silly Christians, "Kill the infidels", amirite?</s> Though I guess you all still have to right to lynch me or something like that. Blasphemy, and all that funny stuff that tickles me at night under the covers.

I'm obviously not talking about all Christians here. There are quite a few healthy minded Christians/Catholics/other denominations, on this forum, other forums, and all over the world, and I am not directing this post at them. The vast majority seem to have the same mindset as MWMFJ, and those are the ones who I am targeting with my post. The Muslim tidbit is blatant sarcasm as well, and perhaps a poke at the media.

God is Love, but he is also fair, and he hates sin. He has to Judge people for sin if they didn't accept Jesus. He doesn't want people to go to Hell, and Hates it when anyone does. And you can't deny that there are Muslims who wanna deal this Nation great harm. We are called the Great Satan by them. Not all muslims wanna kill us, but quite a few do. Oh, and Can you prove The Bible has been twisted for Man's convenience? The closest thing that has been changed is the names (Maryam to Mary, Yosef to Joseph, Yeshua to Jesus etc.)
It's true that Christianity got a Bad rap by certain Popes (Urban II, or as I like to call Him, "Mr. Let's have a Crusade under the false pretense of Holiness when in all reality it's a land grab meant for personal power and remembrance in the annals of History") But Putting ALL believers under that is...well, it's what you thinkk MWMFJ is doing.

I reject that view of God. There is a girl, I consider very dear to me. She is a lesbian and she is also a pagen... but she is also in my very opinion the most sweetest finiest example of a human being I have ever met. Ever kind. Ever forgiving. Always helping at her own self-sacrafice. I refuse to accept a God into my heart that would send her to burn in Hell.

See? In your opinion. You're judging by human standards. What people seem to forget is that God Has different standards about Sin than us. If we sin at ALL, Its reprehensible to God. In God's eyes, if you lie once, your a liar etc, And He has to Judge sin because he is a Just God. However, he still loved us as we were wretched to Him and Sent His son down to sacrifice himself so that we could be with him in Heaven. That's called Accepting CHrist.


Oh, and Thich wouldn't be sent to Hell to torture Just like Hitler. THere are various levels of Hell.



*grabs Fire extinguisher while preparing for Flames*

[Ghost Guest offline]

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein.

For those who don't care to read into it <s>*blows a raspberry*</s>: do you simply follow Christianity (and act as a good person) because you are afraid of going to Hell and are expecting salvation, or because you want to be a good person just because, with religion having no placement? If Einstein was still alive, he'd rehash that statement. Christians are a sorry lot, indeed.

Very good question. I can't speak for Christianity in genereal, but I know most Catholics follow the religion because they've been taught they'd be going to Hell otherwise. Well anyway, I guess every religion has its concept of "hell". Be it the actual place filled with fire, brimstone and guys in red pyjamas sticking pitchforks in your butt... or something else. Buddhists have the concept of karma (which I actually prefer because there the punishment fits the crime and then you still have the chance of a better future) and I've heard of a couple of other religions' versions of "the big punishment" or whatever you wanna call it.

What I'm trying to say is that I do think people tend to do the right thing because they fear the punishment (of course there are also people who do it just beacuse they want to, and that's admirable... some of them are atheists, can you believe it?). I guess many of the world's problems begin when one religion teaches something to be rightful, another teaches the same thing to be wrongful and then their followers try to impose their perspective. So I think the fear of God and punishment can make people do good, but it can also backfire. In the end, if we could just help each other out without caring who the other is, and just for the sake of doing good, the world would be a better place. But that's not going to happen anytime soon, is it?
I hate when I feel I like I haven't expressed myself well... feel free to ignore this.

God is Love, but he is also fair, and he hates sin. He has to Judge people for sin if they didn't accept Jesus.

I'm not trying to be rude here (really, I'm not), but that reminds me of a guy I once saw at Los Angeles who kept yelling at people that if we didn't accept Jesus, we were accepting the Devil. I dunno, the whole idea just sounds too cold for me. But I'm not trying to question anyone's beliefs here... everyone can believe what they choose to believe. Sometimes people feel the need to convince everybody else that their beliefs are right, without realizing that can lead to a redundant discussion.

[JesusFreak offline]

Meh, that Guy at Los Angeles.....

He wasn't walking in love. Witnessing isn't just telling people YOUR GOING TO HELL!!!!! REPENT OR DIE, its also being an example of How a Christian is supposed to act, and I've done my best here to do that (Yeah, I've messed up, Im only human guys.) That guy wasn't walking in love now was he?

[Ghost Guest offline]

No, he wasn't. Many people follow his example, sadly. And good, for you, for doing your best.

[. offline]

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God wouldn't send Thich Quang Duc to Hell Because He's a Buddhist, he would send Him to Hell for not having a relationship with Him and not accepting His offer of salvation.

Really, then? You know, last I thought, God was omniscience and benevolent, and didn't ask his followers to determine who goes to Hell and doesn't. I thought religion was just a name (that has since been corrupted halfway to Tuesday, mind you) that only gave people reason to fight. If God is love, then why should the name of your religion be significant? If God sends you to hell because you choose not to associate yourself with Christianity, but you are a good, loving person anyways, then he's no God of mine.

I'd be completely willing to decline "God's" offer of salvation if I knew Thich Quang Duc was banished to hell because he did not accept man's words of God that have been twisted for convenience (or you know, answer B., that he was just around Buddhism a lot more and became more accustomed with the message, but I like the former more, sounds much better in this context). I'd be right there besides the Atheists, Muslims, and every other conceivable religion, even the The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, if I knew they were good people, and wholeheartedly bearing the flames of Hell alongside them.

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein.

For those who don't care to read into it <s>*blows a raspberry*</s>: do you simply follow Christianity (and act as a good person) because you are afraid of going to Hell and are expecting salvation, or because you want to be a good person just because, with religion having no placement? If Einstein was still alive, he'd rehash that statement. Christians are a sorry lot, indeed.


...I love being Christian. I can talk a lot of crap about my own religion without being labeled a terrorist. Or a Muslim. <s>Oh wait, I forgot, those are interchangeable, aren't they? Silly Christians, "Kill the infidels", amirite?</s> Though I guess you all still have to right to lynch me or something like that. Blasphemy, and all that funny stuff that tickles me at night under the covers.

I'm obviously not talking about all Christians here. There are quite a few healthy minded Christians/Catholics/other denominations, on this forum, other forums, and all over the world, and I am not directing this post at them. The vast majority seem to have the same mindset as MWMFJ, and those are the ones who I am targeting with my post. The Muslim tidbit is blatant sarcasm as well, and perhaps a poke at the media.

God is Love, but he is also fair, and he hates sin. He has to Judge people for sin if they didn't accept Jesus. He doesn't want people to go to Hell, and Hates it when anyone does. And you can't deny that there are Muslims who wanna deal this Nation great harm. We are called the Great Satan by them. Not all muslims wanna kill us, but quite a few do. Oh, and Can you prove The Bible has been twisted for Man's convenience? The closest thing that has been changed is the names (Maryam to Mary, Yosef to Joseph, Yeshua to Jesus etc.)
It's true that Christianity got a Bad rap by certain Popes (Urban II, or as I like to call Him, "Mr. Let's have a Crusade under the false pretense of Holiness when in all reality it's a land grab meant for personal power and remembrance in the annals of History") But Putting ALL believers under that is...well, it's what you thinkk MWMFJ is doing.

I reject that view of God. There is a girl, I consider very dear to me. She is a lesbian and she is also a pagen... but she is also in my very opinion the most sweetest finiest example of a human being I have ever met. Ever kind. Ever forgiving. Always helping at her own self-sacrafice. I refuse to accept a God into my heart that would send her to burn in Hell.

See? In your opinion. You're judging by human standards. What people seem to forget is that God Has different standards about Sin than us. If we sin at ALL, Its reprehensible to God. In God's eyes, if you lie once, your a liar etc, And He has to Judge sin because he is a Just God. However, he still loved us as we were wretched to Him and Sent His son down to sacrifice himself so that we could be with him in Heaven. That's called Accepting CHrist.


Oh, and Thich wouldn't be sent to Hell to torture Just like Hitler. THere are various levels of Hell.



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Nope. Can't accept that. Rather take my chances in Hell then side with a God that would do that to my friends.

[JesusFreak offline]

Not Accepting that won't change reality.

God doesn't want people to go to Hell. We all Have a chance he set up for us, the choice is yours if you wanna take it.

Oh, and as for the Salvation just for Salvation part, in the Words of Tangent128 (looking back on page 1 lol)

Since a true Christian has the spirit of Jesus in their heart, they should desire to do good simply because it is good. Of course, the fact that the flesh exists in a fallen (sinful) world means that one doesn't always suceed.
Following the commands in the Bible is an expression of one's salvation; one isn't saved by being good, since nobody on Earth can be perfect- the smallest amount of sin is still sin.

[Gauntlet offline]

God is Love, but he is also fair, and he hates sin. He has to Judge people for sin if they didn't accept Jesus. He doesn't want people to go to Hell, and Hates it when anyone does. And you can't deny that there are Muslims who wanna deal this Nation great harm. We are called the Great Satan by them. Not all muslims wanna kill us, but quite a few do. Oh, and Can you prove The Bible has been twisted for Man's convenience? The closest thing that has been changed is the names (Maryam to Mary, Yosef to Joseph, Yeshua to Jesus etc.)
It's true that Christianity got a Bad rap by certain Popes (Urban II, or as I like to call Him, "Mr. Let's have a Crusade under the false pretense of Holiness when in all reality it's a land grab meant for personal power and remembrance in the annals of History") But Putting ALL believers under that is...well, it's what you thinkk MWMFJ is doing.

I was referring to how the Bible was used for peoples' convenience moreover than the Bible itself being corrupted. I haven't actually read the Bible, mind you, but I am a little bit skeptical at times. The thought of ordinary men writing the Bible...could be so easily twisted. Then again, I can't say for sure, but yes, religion does make people go crazy.

It's funny how only the Christians go berserk, though. Some Muslims may be terrorists, sure, but some priests are also causing great grief to the country by molesting little children and doing other "sinful" acts, if you will. I think, knowing that so many of the priests in this country have used religion as an opportunity to do such things, is a greater blow than terrorists. Religion, and Christianity in particular, is supposed to be the foundation of hope and faith; what do you do when the very person you expect to hold his beliefs high and proud is the very one who's being evil?

Don't even get me started on why they're moved from parish to parish. Bunch of crap, if you ask me. Who was that singer? She was British, I think--she tore a piece of paper with the Pope on it and said the Vatican was evil. Right on.

I reject that view of God. There is a girl, I consider very dear to me. She is a lesbian and she is also a pagen... but she is also in my very opinion the most sweetest finiest example of a human being I have ever met. Ever kind. Ever forgiving. Always helping at her own self-sacrafice. I refuse to accept a God into my heart that would send her to burn in Hell.

See? In your opinion. You're judging by human standards. What people seem to forget is that God Has different standards about Sin than us. If we sin at ALL, Its reprehensible to God. In God's eyes, if you lie once, your a liar etc, And He has to Judge sin because he is a Just God. However, he still loved us as we were wretched to Him and Sent His son down to sacrifice himself so that we could be with him in Heaven. That's called Accepting CHrist.


Oh, and Thich wouldn't be sent to Hell to torture Just like Hitler. THere are various levels of Hell.



*grabs Fire extinguisher while preparing for Flames*

For all we know, Christ could just be fake. Or a mad-man's creation. This is where I want to tie in my previous statement, about how the Bible could be twisted and fake for all we know. How can you, honestly, expect a person to follow Christianity, specifically a Bible that condemns those who don't follow it? Naturally, people are defiant--of course they'll want to spit at Christianity and say "You can't condemn" me. On that note, why should anyone trust men spreading God's word? Can it really be trusted? There are a lot of errors in the Bible--continuity, timeline errors, etc.--and though I've never looked deeply into it, it sure puts the spotlight on Christianity. Humans are not perfect, and I don't think his apostles were excluded from sin, but that's just my opinion.

Lastly, who says you know God's will? I really dislike how you're saying that Thich Quang Duc is going to Hell, like you're almost positive. Worse yet, it seems like you'd rather see him go to Hell than think in a positive light and wish otherwise. It's a little sad that you said, "I've tried my Hardest not to be all YOUR ALL WRONG YOUR GOING TO H*LL SO GET READY MUAHAHAHAHA because that is not only annoying, but damaging to someone's reputation (not to mention Painful to read)."

Sorry, but, it makes me laugh. You have to restrain yourself from telling people they're going to Hell? Last I recall, Jesus never did things that way. I don't believe he was restraining himself from telling people they're dirty sinners and are going to Hell. In fact, didn't Jesus gain most of his followers (back then) by example, not by sticking up advertisements, or telling people they'll go to Hell for not believing?

[JesusFreak offline]

Oh really? Did I Type in all caps YOURE ALL GONNA GO TO HELL? Did I shove you off in a corner, calling you an idiot? did I shove up a load of reputable evidence from the bowels of the internet? Did I say I'm glad that Thic Quang Duc went to Hell? DId I? I'm sorry, but the Bible says "the wages of sin is death" and Jesus Said "I am the way, the truth, and the ligth, there is no other way to the Father except through me." You said You are a Christian, yet you have never read the Bible...That's Like saying Im a fan of a TV show when I have never seen an episode. And Finally, I'm not Jesus. I'm no Biblical Scholar, but Jesus was talkign to Jews, and the Jewish people had Judaism, which was the right way Until Christ came. Judaism has many of the same Principles Christianity has, so Jesus wouldn't have to Mention Hell. I dunno...I might be wrong on that last part.
I'm Sorry if I seem angry, but you misquoted me about what Ive said.


EDIT: Jesus actually mentioned Hell multiple times. Read the book of Matthew.