Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

I know this is a stupid question (as I like them too) and I'm going to try and get my mind back to LTT related things... but WHY does every one Love mecha... I mean.. I do... I think there great...

Most of my favorite things involve mecha... like TV, Megas XLR, Eureka seven that type... but is there a actual reason why mechas are so addicting?

Ok… happy rants over... back to business

[Sithking Zero offline]

I don't know why I individuallly like mecha. It might have to do with the fact that I love technology, but it also might have something to do with the fact that I love tech. I don't know how it works, but I loves it anyways.

Also, I'm a pyro, so shows like gundam and Megas XLR have great appeal to me.

[Jazzy Josh offline]

Back on Topic guys

lol I pronounced it Ecks-Ter-Anium

anyway, Exertanium should be the spelling

[TB3]

Okay, Exertanium it is!

On other notes, the essay is stepping into high gear - I went down to the library and grabbed some books on Particle and Quantum Physics today as an aid.

Re. I decided to keep the name Zero-Point-Space, but have coined the term 'H-Particle' for the substance that makes it up (H for Hopper obviously).

I also dropped the whole dry ice/steam business after I sat down and finalised how all of this works in my head.

Diagrams are also coming along nicely - I aim to have a very professional piece finished ASAP!

[YDV offline]

Okay, Exertanium it is!

On other notes, the essay is stepping into high gear - I went down to the library and grabbed some books on Particle and Quantum Physics today as an aid.

Re. I decided to keep the name Zero-Point-Space, but have coined the term 'H-Particle' for the substance that makes it up (H for Hopper obviously).

I also dropped the whole dry ice/steam business after I sat down and finalised how all of this works in my head.

Diagrams are also coming along nicely - I aim to have a very professional piece finished ASAP!

So... wait. We're not calling it ZPE anymore...?

Ah. xD;; Like I said the ice/steam stuff didn't seem to solid with me...

Hmm. Good luck with the essy.. keep it up!

[Cassius335 offline]

I know this is a stupid question (as I like them too) and I'm going to try and get my mind back to LTT related things... but WHY does every one Love mecha... I mean.. I do... I think there great...

Most of my favorite things involve mecha... like TV, Megas XLR, Eureka seven that type... but is there a actual reason why mechas are so addicting?

Ok… happy rants over... back to business

Bad-ass Giant robots are . What other reason do you need?

[Taelia offline]

Considering that I'm a Power Rangers fan, this is actually a cool idea!

[Sithking Zero offline]

As I have said, giant robots are just plain awesome, and I'm sure there's a deep psychological reason for it.

I just don't care, and prefer to observe the robots do their stuffl.

[mooshie offline]

in essence the reason we like giant robots capable of mass destruction is that it appeals to the medula oblongata bcause we imagine the power it would give us and the havoc the wreak deeply satisfies our anger, but I spend way too much time reading so don't mind me, I"m just weird like that

[TB3]

So... wait. We're not calling it ZPE anymore...?

Ah. xD;; Like I said the ice/steam stuff didn't seem to solid with me...

Hmm. Good luck with the essy.. keep it up!

ZPS and ZPE are still in, I just added the H-Particle bit to simplify things - though from what I've heard Moonscoop's staff speak and read good English, I want to make this as straightforward as possible - I'm even thinking of paying for a professional translation.

EDIT: Had the idea in bed last night of naming the particle Franz discovered a 'Lyokon' - any thoughts?

[JeremieCompNerd offline]

Translation, wording, letters to people... Does anyone here have any funding?

I'd much rather be building this thing than finding out what the original concept development team thinks of it. We don't even need a Quantum Computer. It doesn't matter how large a space it takes to store the data, if we copied ourselves into a large memorybank, NASA size stuff, eventually people would develope the technology to run our programs, basically bringing our digital copies back to life. In the meantime, if we don't get this done before we die, we won't benefit from any of it.


So, does anyone have enough money, power, or equipment to pull this off, or am I in the wrong place as usual?

[Sithking Zero offline]

I'm not sure, but I think you got the wrong page and meant to click on "Project XANADU."

[Taelia offline]

TB3 wrote:

ZPS and ZPE are still in, I just added the H-Particle bit to simplify things - though from what I've heard Moonscoop's staff speak and read good English, I want to make this as straightforward as possible - I'm even thinking of paying for a professional translation.

EDIT: Had the idea in bed last night of naming the particle Franz discovered a 'Lyokon' - any thoughts?

A Lyokon, hmm? Good idea! =D

[JeremieCompNerd offline]

I'm not sure, but I think you got the wrong page and meant to click on "Project XANADU."

Nah, I checked that place. One person posted when I joined, just to tell me I had posted as Guest, instead of my username. Place is even more dead than LyokoWARE forums.

[TB3]

Translation, wording, letters to people... Does anyone here have any funding?

I'd much rather be building this thing than finding out what the original concept development team thinks of it. We don't even need a Quantum Computer. It doesn't matter how large a space it takes to store the data, if we copied ourselves into a large memorybank, NASA size stuff, eventually people would develope the technology to run our programs, basically bringing our digital copies back to life. In the meantime, if we don't get this done before we die, we won't benefit from any of it.


So, does anyone have enough money, power, or equipment to pull this off, or am I in the wrong place as usual?

Mate, the main problem is that all of our ideas hang on a few fictional concepts.

For example, all the Star Trek technical manuals in the woird could collectively give you the blueprints to the Enterprise, but even if you had the money, they're not going to get you to Planet Vulcan.

Why? Because although the ideas are theoretically sound (or at least, as with ours, it's damn near impossible to prove they're NOT, thanks to lovely Quantum), IT'S FICTION! And so is LTT - what we want is to get our ideas acknowledged by Moonscoop, not revolutionise science.

At least for now.

[Rudger offline]

Just out of curiosity. Has anybody thought about how the vehicles function in lyoko? or does this matter? I mean, you could simply call it a visual representation of a program doing what its supposed to do and therefore it doesnt need any actual logic to how it works, but the way I see it that is the easy way out. In lyoko the laws of physics still apply (even if they are extremely flexible). This means that the vehicles would need some actual tech to work instead of just saying it works because its supposed to. When Xana materialized monsters into the real world they didnt just work because they were supposed to, they had mechanics and electronics and whatever else they needed to function under real physics. The same could apply to the vehicles. If we came up with some solid or at least beleivable theorys as to how these machines might function in the real world then maybe we could pave the way for moonscoop to bring the vehicles into the real world without it being completely ridiculous.

I dont want to add to the workload, I just thought it would be something interesting to talk about at the very least. but don't mind me. It's midnight right now and I'm not thinking clearly.

Feel free to yell at me. I dont mind.

[Sithking Zero offline]

No, you have a good point! We need this for Moonscoop.

I suppose that the overbike would be easy enough to explain- I mean, since it only has one wheel, it would probably have some sort of Gyroscopic balancing system to keep it level and stuff. It probably also would utilize the same principles of anti-gravity drives that the Overwing and Overboard use. In short, it's a motorcycle with only one wheel, anti-gravity drives, and boosters. In all, it is the least complex to explain, for many reasons. One: it's a motorcycle. Two: the steering and directional mechanisims are in the handbars, and are easily explained.

The other vehicles, because their method of transportation involves primarily anti-gravity drives of some sort, or hovercraft technology, or whatever, need more explaining. And how do you steer them? Seriously, with the overboard, it's just a handgrip. No buttons or levers to controll it. I think it's controlled by the operator's thoughts.

Does this make sense, cause I started to ramble at the end.

[TB3]

We saw in 'The Chips are Down' that the Overboard was controlled partly by Odd's thoughts - when Yumi, wounded was put on it Odd and Aelita walked away and the board turned and followed them with no actual controller on board.

As for materialising the vehcials in reality, I reckon we could easily have an anti-gravity system, IF Jeremie can work out XANA's unifed theorem connecting Energy and Gravity (as seen in Zero-Gravity-Zone).

As for propulsion (the thrusters and the overbike's motor), all we need is to replicate the nuclear battery on the small scale in each engine, and attatch it to some sort of throttle assembly controlling the release of particle radiation.

[Cassius335 offline]

EDIT: Had the idea in bed last night of naming the particle Franz discovered a 'Lyokon' - any thoughts?

That just makes me think of the Minicons, frankly.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Minicons are awesome though.

TB3 wrote:
We saw in 'The Chips are Down' that the Overboard was controlled partly by Odd's thoughts - when Yumi, wounded was put on it Odd and Aelita walked away and the board turned and followed them with no actual controller on board.

As for materialising the vehcials in reality, I reckon we could easily have an anti-gravity system, IF Jeremie can work out XANA's unifed theorem connecting Energy and Gravity (as seen in Zero-Gravity-Zone).

As for propulsion (the thrusters and the overbike's motor), all we need is to replicate the nuclear battery on the small scale in each engine, and attatch it to some sort of throttle assembly controlling the release of particle radiation.



Or, they could use magnetisim. With magnets, it would be a simple matter to just use a powerful enough one and defy earth's own magnetic fields, and fly away.

[TB3]

Or, they could use magnetisim. With magnets, it would be a simple matter to just use a powerful enough one and defy earth's own magnetic fields, and fly away.

Even with Franz's tech, the scanners can barely levitate a person - I don't think the vehicles could even do that let along fly if they worked on magnets - copying whatever XANA did works better

[mooshie offline]

actually that is what X.A.N.A. did, jeremie's explanation was that he/she/it used an electomagnetic field to offset the earth magnetic attraction, although he never definitively linked it to how that affected gravity, my theory is that the writers took a leaf out of star trek's book and made a type of force field, with the harmonics attuned to gravity waves in such a way that the gravity wves were eith blocked entirely or reversed effectivle causing antigravity, the latter is what I think is more likely, since the floated up rather than just floating in place, and it would work out quite nicely on the overboard or wing

[Rudger offline]

I thought of something interesting, yay!

Anyways, The magnet theory would only work for levitation. maybe that could be a way to conserve the nuclear battery. The main antigrav system shuts down but the vehicle continues to levitate due to some sort of extremely poverful magnetic system. In the movie bact to the future II the hoverboard marty took worked on magnetism and Biff's grandson had one with rocket propulsion. I'm not trying to steal ideas from movies, I'm meerly using it as an example. As for the flying part I was thinking about repulsorlifts like in star wars but they are made using antimatter so I dont think it would work. This is a really tough problem. What means can we think of to create a stable levitation feild that can quickly adjust to changes in weight at any height? It cant have anything to do with pushing against the ground because if it were to go over a cliff it would just fall to the same distance off the ground as it was before plus the fact that they have been ridden straight over the digital sea without a problem. I'll have to ponder this some more. Keep thinking and I shall return after I try to do some reaserch.

EDIT: I'm back and I have something that could be of use. I dont pretend to understand the technobable but I do understand the possibility that his could tie in with some of the stuff we have. This article herehttp://amasci.com/weird/vortex/gravdsk2.txt talks about superconductors and levitation. I'm not sure how helpful it is but when I saw supeconductors I thought Exertanium. and honestly I really dont understand half of what is said in this so I'm sorry if it is useless.

EDIT#2: another interesting article here.enjoy.

[TB3]

Hehe - magnets and exertanium sort of go hand-in-hand - sort of because it's impossible for Exertanium (and superconductors in general) to emit a magnetic field, but it is possible for them to repel all other fields.

Right, a thought. When XANA discovered a way to offset gravity (and I think he had to have affected gravity, not the 'electromagnetic field' of the Earth because the persons would be crushed between the two forces), he probably qualified for several Nobel Prizes, because it suggests he discovered the long-sought THEORY OF EVERYTHING, marrying Quantum Mechanics with Relatavistic Physics.

However, given XANA's somewhat 'dubious' intellect, this might well have been something Franz was working on that XANA either stole or finished.

On the subject of the supercomputer, I calculated that in order to process the data of every atom in the human body during a virtualisation, the supercomputer would probably have to be at least 9.6 TRILLION times more powerful than the most powerful supercomputer in the world today. This requires the computer to be able to process 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 operations a second.

Though this sounds like nonsense (and I initially thought so too), some research into Quantum Computing suggests the computer could pull this off, if it had about 97 or more Qubits.

Increasingly (and thanks to some really useful books), all of the elements of the essay are sliding into place. In a few days I'll be asking for the Lyokologists and other contributors for any words they'd like put in the opening pages i.e. 'It confused me, scared me, but I loved it!' - TB3

That aside, all of this heavy-thought has given me major headaches over the past few days, and then I found a poem that expressed how I felt entirely! Enjoy these extracts!

PS: I highlighted a bit that reminded me of us

Quantum Physics: There's a Thing
by Graham Adair

[url=http://www.etext.org/Zines/planet/pm36/quantum.html][i]"Quantum physics. There’s a thing.
I’ve heard of nothing stranger.
You fancy juggling atoms? Well
Be mindful of the danger.
For thoughts of protons, quarks and muons:
Such exotic matter,
Are apt to tie your brain in knots,
Your sleepful nights to shatter.

And what of blessed Einstein
And his General Relativity?
Accepted though it may be
It’s a triumph of complicity.
You test it by experiment,
And analyse the outcome.
And if it makes no sense
You just amend the main theorem!

Well hip-hooray for SuperStrings!
A unifying theory!
At last we have a model
That’ll settle every query.
But hang on -- it’s just wacky concepts
Fraught with terminology…
It makes no sense; it’s full of holes,
It’s rubbish!
All apologies.

In closing, here’s an observation
Likely to confuse.
The Uncertainty Principle
Declares surprising news:
“To take a thing and look at it
Will change its very state.â€

[JeremieCompNerd offline]

Now limit that to the human brain alone... I would be perfectly happy to simply not ever be devirtualized. Eliminate the excess, and we can reduce the requirements. Then again, what timeframe are you looking at the computer calculating it in? A matter of nanoseconds, hours, years?

By the way, I liked the poem.