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[LadyLucy offline]

I don't know how this will effect the way I'll be seen here, but I don't care. For the past 18 years, I have been a christan girl. Sort of. Not really understanding some of my own religion, and finding it vagulay boring. I belive in a God, but I don't like all the rules and contracdictions that the Bible has. (This is not an attack on Christan people...most of my friends are VERY devout church-goers , and as long as they don't preach at me, I"m fine). Two months ago, I decided to give up faking the belief in the Christain reliegion, and changed to Wiccan.
I am NOT a witch.
We believe in a God...and a Goddess. (girl power!!! ). We don't have curses or anything like that. Our power comes from our determination and love for nature. It's not like Wicked, where Elphie can turn people in tin and all that...(though that would be cool...but my life is not like a musical, or Harry Potter. I belive in true magick now.)
I'm sure you're porbably wondering why I call this a rant. Why?
Because my whole family turned against me once they found out. They aren't even all that into Christainity. My dad is a Prostat, my mother is Cathlic, but neither have gone to church in years. They think I'm just rebelling even more. I"m not, I"m making a choice. I felt rather empty while being part of Church and all that...now, I feel better. It's more meaningfull to me. I've always loved nature, and now I can actually be a part of it. Wouldn't that make a parent happy, to know their child has found joy? *sigh* Not my parents, I guess...
I don't know if anyone here is like me (Wiccan, I mean) But even if you're not, but you think you have some helpful advice, please help.

[oddsgrlfriend offline]

I'm a Roman Catholic and I really don't know what to tell you...maybe they just are surprised? Just give them a little time to deal with and accept the change.

[. offline]

tell them instead of being jerks about it they should be a good parents and support you...

Ya know.... just so long as your not doing harm to anyone or yourself

and in a heated arguement you may just wanna pull that card out on them... And congrats on finding something to believe in. As a recovering christian myself who doesn't know what to believe in anymore, it's pretty admirable.

[Jeshibo offline]

I definately know what you're saying. all my family, even my lil sister, are strict catholics. i was baptized as one, but i have the same problem as you. i can't make myself totally believe all the stuff in the bible, either. but i do believe in a superior being, a grand creator. so i bring home a wiccan friend, nicole, to hang out, and my gramma freaks. she assumes that all other religions are blasphemy or something. it's so stupid. i dont really know what i believe yet...

[Paige offline]

Religion is a personal thing. It is between you and God, or whatever it is that you worship. Your family should respect that because how you believe is your choice, and no one should tell you how to worship, and what to worship. That is your choice. Tell them that it's your thing, and they can't control how you worship God, because that isn't their business really.

On the other hand, in my personal opinion, I think Wiccan is a temporary religion that people say they practice because they don't want to call themselves atheists or agnostics. And although I don't know much about the Wiccan religion, I know a lot of girls who practice it, and I think that they are using it as an excuse not to worship God. Or they practice it to be an individual, because a lot of people worship God, and they don't want to be "crowd followers" hence, how the Gothic thing came about. But really, Gothic kids say they are individuals, but they all dress the same, all in black, dye their hair black,wear a LOT of eyeliner. All Goths do that, or else you aren;t really a goth, so then it's like, they are Gothic because "they don't want to follow the crowd, they want to be individuals" Yet there are like a lot of other kids around them who are "individuals" with them, and they are following the Gothic crowd, so really, the whole "goth scene" is another one of those fad things that teens follow...

Woah, I went off in my own rant there, but seriously, almost every Gothic girl I know practices Wiccan, and although I don't agree with the actual Wiccan religion, I choose to not make it any of my business, because it's their life, not mine, what they choose to worship or believe is their thing, not mine, and it's not my place to tell them what they should believe. Because I am in no way a devout christian. I worship God in my own way, and I go to church as often as I can, but I wouldn't go around telling kids to go to church, read the bible, and pray. Because it's not my place to do so. And really, it's no one's place to do that.

[The BB of C offline]

What do you mean by "power"?
I'm not going to judge your new religion because I know what happens when people do that with the addition of the fact that I know almost nothing about it. But perhaps it was best if you felt empty.

[Rail Runner offline]

Honestly Lucy...we respect you for who you are...and how you act on here....whatever you do as far as religion or whatever....is up to you...we wont hate you for it, or anything like that...that is totally up to you..If you are happy being Wiccan, then cool...your parents should love you no matter what. They should just be happy that you are finding your own way, not forcing you to do what they want you to do...its a hard thing to answer..

[The BB of C offline]

Not necissarily, Virtualized STI. A lot of religions, mainly Christainity, Catholics, and their Protestant branches believe that Wiccan is Satan's work. Once again, I'm not going to make any judgements on it because I don't know anything about it. I'm naturally a little concerned myself, especially at the word "power." That is why your parents disrespect her. Wiccan is like the dark side of the Force to a lot of people. It's not necissarily closed mindedness more so as it is simply practices. Some people might even take the parents as hypocritcal because they're not into because they don't go to church a lot. That's probably why she didn't understand her religion anyway. I noticed that when she stated the Bible's controdictions. First of all, it takes a lot to understand what exactly that book is and it can take 10 times reading to fully get what some of these 'controdictions' actually mean. Either way, it's not hypocritical. People can be really religious and not go to church. My friend Sean for example. The only time he goes to church is when he spends the night at my house on Saturday night and we go to church early on Sunday. But he still believes and understands everything about his religion and follows it pretty well.

[DeadViolet offline]

Whicheva ya are, Lucy-chan, You're still cool. I've got a friend on DA who's wiccian, and she's bi, too!! I belive in god, but I don't like church or religon class. It bores me.

[. offline]

On the other hand, in my personal opinion, I think Wiccan is a temporary religion that people say they practice because they don't want to call themselves atheists or agnostics. And although I don't know much about the Wiccan religion, I know a lot of girls who practice it, and I think that they are using it as an excuse not to worship God. Or they practice it to be an individual, because a lot of people worship God, and they don't want to be "crowd followers" hence, how the Gothic thing came about. But really, Gothic kids say they are individuals, but they all dress the same, all in black, dye their hair black,wear a LOT of eyeliner. All Goths do that, or else you aren;t really a goth, so then it's like, they are Gothic because "they don't want to follow the crowd, they want to be individuals" Yet there are like a lot of other kids around them who are "individuals" with them, and they are following the Gothic crowd, so really, the whole "goth scene" is another one of those fad things that teens follow...

That being said, Gothic people are typically the most kindest, trust worthy people in life. Really their great folk, or at least thats what I've deem from my experince.

Not necissarily, Virtualized STI. A lot of religions, mainly Christainity, Catholics, and their Protestant branches believe that Wiccan is Satan's work. Once again, I'm not going to make any judgements on it because I don't know anything about it. I'm naturally a little concerned myself, especially at the word "power." That is why your parents disrespect her. Wiccan is like the dark side of the Force to a lot of people. It's not necissarily closed mindedness more so as it is simply practices. Some people might even take the parents as hypocritcal because they're not into because they don't go to church a lot. That's probably why she didn't understand her religion anyway. I noticed that when she stated the Bible's controdictions. First of all, it takes a lot to understand what exactly that book is and it can take 10 times reading to fully get what some of these 'controdictions' actually mean. Either way, it's not hypocritical. People can be really religious and not go to church. My friend Sean for example. The only time he goes to church is when he spends the night at my house on Saturday night and we go to church early on Sunday. But he still believes and understands everything about his religion and follows it pretty well.

dude we ain't in colonel Salem anymore, I don't think you have to worry about witches and their "powers" lol

[lyokodragoness offline]

Religon is a very touchy subject. I try so much not to dwell on it. But this just infuriates me when someone's family - or anyone close to them, really - doesn't appriciate them for who they want to be.

Look, try talking to your family. Tell them that you're the same child they've always loved, and that you didn't change to be mean or rebellious. Ask them to respect your views and opinions like you respect theirs. You made this choice to make yourself happy and not to get away or nothin'. They should accept - or at least tolerate - this, knowing your reasons and why.

... And tell them you're not a witch. xD;;


Wrap it all up in a big speech mentally and then gather your family and speak open-mindedly. Maybe then it can all work out.

[Jeremified offline]

I don't know how this will effect the way I'll be seen here, but I don't care. For the past 18 years, I have been a christan girl. Sort of. Not really understanding some of my own religion, and finding it vagulay boring. I belive in a God, but I don't like all the rules and contracdictions that the Bible has. (This is not an attack on Christan people...most of my friends are VERY devout church-goers (my boyfriend is too), and as long as they don't preach at me, I"m fine). Two months ago, I decided to give up faking the belief in the Christain reliegion, and changed to Wiccan.
I am NOT a witch.
We believe in a God...and a Goddess. (girl power!!! ). We don't have curses or anything like that. Our power comes from our determination and love for nature. It's not like Wicked, where Elphie can turn people in tin and all that...(though that would be cool...but my life is not like a musical, or Harry Potter. I belive in true magick now.)
I'm sure you're porbably wondering why I call this a rant. Why?
Because my whole family turned against me once they found out. They aren't even all that into Christainity. My dad is a Prostat, my mother is Cathlic, but neither have gone to church in years. They think I'm just rebelling even more. I"m not, I"m making a choice. I felt rather empty while being part of Church and all that...now, I feel better. It's more meaningfull to me. I've always loved nature, and now I can actually be a part of it. Wouldn't that make a parent happy, to know their child has found joy? *sigh* Not my parents, I guess...
I don't know if anyone here is like me (Wiccan, I mean) But even if you're not, but you think you have some helpful advice, please help.

Well, although the final decision is up to you, I strongly advise that you stay with Christianity. I have proof that Jesus existed. I've read in magazines that the emptied tomb of Jesus was found in the Mid-East, and inscribed on it in Jewish was "Here lies Jesus, brother of John" or something. This is far more than enough proof than needed. Also, this means that Jesus really did exist and accomplished all the things he did in the bible- with 12 witnesses, or the 12 disciples. And 4 wrote it all down and agreed with each other!
Now here's some cold, hard facts. There were about 300 prophecies of a Savior- each one about a different aspect of Jesus. It's been calculated that the odds of one person fulfilling just 8 of these 300 prophecies was 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion). This is the same as burying the entire state of Texas five feet deep with quarters, putting a hole through one of them, and then having somebody else randomly pick a quarter and get that one.
Jesus fulfilled all of them. (Just imagine how many quarters you'd need for THAT!)
This is FAR more than enough proof to say that Jesus really did exist, really did die on the cross and rise again, and really did save us from our sins.

Phew. Hopefully that can convince you.

[. offline]

I don't know how this will effect the way I'll be seen here, but I don't care. For the past 18 years, I have been a christan girl. Sort of. Not really understanding some of my own religion, and finding it vagulay boring. I belive in a God, but I don't like all the rules and contracdictions that the Bible has. (This is not an attack on Christan people...most of my friends are VERY devout church-goers (my boyfriend is too), and as long as they don't preach at me, I"m fine). Two months ago, I decided to give up faking the belief in the Christain reliegion, and changed to Wiccan.
I am NOT a witch.
We believe in a God...and a Goddess. (girl power!!! ). We don't have curses or anything like that. Our power comes from our determination and love for nature. It's not like Wicked, where Elphie can turn people in tin and all that...(though that would be cool...but my life is not like a musical, or Harry Potter. I belive in true magick now.)
I'm sure you're porbably wondering why I call this a rant. Why?
Because my whole family turned against me once they found out. They aren't even all that into Christainity. My dad is a Prostat, my mother is Cathlic, but neither have gone to church in years. They think I'm just rebelling even more. I"m not, I"m making a choice. I felt rather empty while being part of Church and all that...now, I feel better. It's more meaningfull to me. I've always loved nature, and now I can actually be a part of it. Wouldn't that make a parent happy, to know their child has found joy? *sigh* Not my parents, I guess...
I don't know if anyone here is like me (Wiccan, I mean) But even if you're not, but you think you have some helpful advice, please help.

Well, although the final decision is up to you, I strongly advise that you stay with Christianity. I have proof that Jesus existed. I've read in magazines that the emptied tomb of Jesus was found in the Mid-East, and inscribed on it in Jewish was "Here lies Jesus, brother of John" or something. This is far more than enough proof than needed. Also, this means that Jesus really did exist and accomplished all the things he did in the bible- with 12 witnesses, or the 12 disciples. And 4 wrote it all down and agreed with each other!
Now here's some cold, hard facts. There were about 300 prophecies of a Savior- each one about a different aspect of Jesus. It's been calculated that the odds of one person fulfilling just 8 of these 300 prophecies was 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion). This is the same as burying the entire state of Texas five feet deep with quarters, putting a hole through one of them, and then having somebody else randomly pick a quarter and get that one.
Jesus fulfilled all of them. (Just imagine how many quarters you'd need for THAT!)
This is FAR more than enough proof to say that Jesus really did exist, really did die on the cross and rise again, and really did save us from our sins.

Phew. Hopefully that can convince you.

Rawr. She was asking for help in getting her parents to accept her new found religon, not to have her soul saved. LMAO

[Paige offline]

On the other hand, in my personal opinion, I think Wiccan is a temporary religion that people say they practice because they don't want to call themselves atheists or agnostics. And although I don't know much about the Wiccan religion, I know a lot of girls who practice it, and I think that they are using it as an excuse not to worship God. Or they practice it to be an individual, because a lot of people worship God, and they don't want to be "crowd followers" hence, how the Gothic thing came about. But really, Gothic kids say they are individuals, but they all dress the same, all in black, dye their hair black,wear a LOT of eyeliner. All Goths do that, or else you aren;t really a goth, so then it's like, they are Gothic because "they don't want to follow the crowd, they want to be individuals" Yet there are like a lot of other kids around them who are "individuals" with them, and they are following the Gothic crowd, so really, the whole "goth scene" is another one of those fad things that teens follow...

That being said, Gothic people are typically the most kindest, trust worthy people in life. Really their great folk, or at least thats what I've deem from my experince.

I agree with that. I LOVE all of my gothic friends, which are like a lot of the friends I have. Even though I am in no way Gothic. They are just awesome people. But, I ALWAYS rag on them with what I just pointed out. I'm always saying, "hey! I'm going Gothic to be and individual JUST like all of you!" They think it's funny.

[. offline]

On the other hand, in my personal opinion, I think Wiccan is a temporary religion that people say they practice because they don't want to call themselves atheists or agnostics. And although I don't know much about the Wiccan religion, I know a lot of girls who practice it, and I think that they are using it as an excuse not to worship God. Or they practice it to be an individual, because a lot of people worship God, and they don't want to be "crowd followers" hence, how the Gothic thing came about. But really, Gothic kids say they are individuals, but they all dress the same, all in black, dye their hair black,wear a LOT of eyeliner. All Goths do that, or else you aren;t really a goth, so then it's like, they are Gothic because "they don't want to follow the crowd, they want to be individuals" Yet there are like a lot of other kids around them who are "individuals" with them, and they are following the Gothic crowd, so really, the whole "goth scene" is another one of those fad things that teens follow...

That being said, Gothic people are typically the most kindest, trust worthy people in life. Really their great folk, or at least thats what I've deem from my experince.

I agree with that. I LOVE all of my gothic friends, which are like a lot of the friends I have. Even though I am in no way Gothic. They are just awesome people. But, I ALWAYS rag on them with what I just pointed out. I'm always saying, "hey! I'm going Gothic to be and individual JUST like all of you!" They think it's funny.

>.< same way, but lol my ragging is more on Hot Topic... which surprise surprise is right next to the ambercrombie and fitch store in ym mall. lol

[Paige offline]

my ragging is more on Hot Topic... which surprise surprise is right next to the ambercrombie and fitch store in ym mall. lol

I don't care for Hot Topic much, neither do my parents, and I don't care for Abercrombie and Fitch either. Although, Hot Topic has some awesome band shirts, I might go in there once in a while and get a shirt or two, mostly clean ones. And Abercrombie and Fitch is too... nice for me. If I get something from there, I always have to be SO careful about keeping it nice or whatever. I prefer wearing old clothes that I can just go out and play in. I like to get dirty and muddy, it's fun. I prefer stores like... Gap, or along those lines.

But, Ralph Lauren is my second favorite store, they have nice clothes that I can wear on dates and such, like not to play in, or work in.

Anyways, back on topic, I've already said mostly all that I can say on this subject, but if I tried to practice the Wiccan... beliefs, my parents would not be happy, and they would NOT let me, even though they aren't remotely religious, well, I guess they are in their own ways. My advice to you would be to go with your judgement, and seriously, if you don't believe in God, don't use that Wiccan crap to cover that fact up. Just admit you are an atheist. Don't go believeing in the power or whatever, I think that's cowardly to do, and I can honestly say this because I have read a book on the Wiccan religion when I was trying to figure out what it was all about. It's ridiculous I think, and just a cover-up for not believing in God. Or, trying to be like an individual and not believe in God just because a lot of other people do. That's ridiculous, and immature.

[mooshie offline]

somehow I doubt someone would use the wiccan system of beliefs to cover up that they don't believe in a higher power, it would be a lot easier to admit that you were an aetheist, agnostic, or nihilist, than to say you were something that is often equated with being a witch, and about the wiccan religion some people believe in being wiccan, much like some people believe in christianity, and maybe it was just the book you read, after all a lot of people think nihilism is the same as anarchism and it's not, so you might want to check your sources before making a claim like that



EDIT:sorry if I seemed snotty I just get kind of pissed when people attack other people's religions (kind of like I was attacked for being a nihilist)

[Jeremified offline]

I don't know how this will effect the way I'll be seen here, but I don't care. For the past 18 years, I have been a christan girl. Sort of. Not really understanding some of my own religion, and finding it vagulay boring. I belive in a God, but I don't like all the rules and contracdictions that the Bible has. (This is not an attack on Christan people...most of my friends are VERY devout church-goers (my boyfriend is too), and as long as they don't preach at me, I"m fine). Two months ago, I decided to give up faking the belief in the Christain reliegion, and changed to Wiccan.
I am NOT a witch.
We believe in a God...and a Goddess. (girl power!!! ). We don't have curses or anything like that. Our power comes from our determination and love for nature. It's not like Wicked, where Elphie can turn people in tin and all that...(though that would be cool...but my life is not like a musical, or Harry Potter. I belive in true magick now.)
I'm sure you're porbably wondering why I call this a rant. Why?
Because my whole family turned against me once they found out. They aren't even all that into Christainity. My dad is a Prostat, my mother is Cathlic, but neither have gone to church in years. They think I'm just rebelling even more. I"m not, I"m making a choice. I felt rather empty while being part of Church and all that...now, I feel better. It's more meaningfull to me. I've always loved nature, and now I can actually be a part of it. Wouldn't that make a parent happy, to know their child has found joy? *sigh* Not my parents, I guess...
I don't know if anyone here is like me (Wiccan, I mean) But even if you're not, but you think you have some helpful advice, please help.

Well, although the final decision is up to you, I strongly advise that you stay with Christianity. I have proof that Jesus existed. I've read in magazines that the emptied tomb of Jesus was found in the Mid-East, and inscribed on it in Jewish was "Here lies Jesus, brother of John" or something. This is far more than enough proof than needed. Also, this means that Jesus really did exist and accomplished all the things he did in the bible- with 12 witnesses, or the 12 disciples. And 4 wrote it all down and agreed with each other!
Now here's some cold, hard facts. There were about 300 prophecies of a Savior- each one about a different aspect of Jesus. It's been calculated that the odds of one person fulfilling just 8 of these 300 prophecies was 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion). This is the same as burying the entire state of Texas five feet deep with quarters, putting a hole through one of them, and then having somebody else randomly pick a quarter and get that one.
Jesus fulfilled all of them. (Just imagine how many quarters you'd need for THAT!)
This is FAR more than enough proof to say that Jesus really did exist, really did die on the cross and rise again, and really did save us from our sins.

Phew. Hopefully that can convince you.

Rawr. She was asking for help in getting her parents to accept her new found religon, not to have her soul saved. LMAO

Oh... I thought she was just trying to get her parents back on her side, and since they want her to be Christian... ^^ Sorry.

[. offline]

Rawr. She was asking for help in getting her parents to accept her new found religon, not to have her soul saved. LMAO

Oh... I thought she was just trying to get her parents back on her side, and since they want her to be Christian... ^^ Sorry.

rawr. Don't say that, you where trying to save her soul not offer advice. Remember, lying is a sin!

[Jeremified offline]

Rawr. She was asking for help in getting her parents to accept her new found religon, not to have her soul saved. LMAO

Oh... I thought she was just trying to get her parents back on her side, and since they want her to be Christian... ^^ Sorry.

rawr. Don't say that, you where trying to save her soul not offer advice. Remember, lying is a sin!

Look, let's not fight about this, okay? It's not our thread. And besides, I actually WAS originally trying to offer advice, but then my simple explanation turned into a sermon. xD;; Once again... SORRY.

[4lpha0mega offline]

Well im an atheist/nihilist, so i dont believe in any god/goddess, but what really annoys me is when people try and convert other people, or when people claim their religion is right and a fact
To Jermified: We know jesus existed, but there's no proof that he was the son of god,
as for your quarter fact (its a thousand billion, not a quadrillion(i use british numeracy)) but those prophercies could easily have been altered or even not have existed in the first place
Oh, i agree with piege also, about religion being personal and also about wiccan being more of a temporary thing, it seems more of a group (of mostly girls) who like nature, than a religion.
Also i dont get how people can be really strict christians and hate jews when Jesus himself (although i dont think he was son of god, he certainly existed) was a jew.

But i think this is all off-topic, back to the original question, i think you should just try and persuade your parents to respect your beliefs

[GOGOLINIICHAN! offline]

Tell your parents something like,

"This is not, in any way, an attempt to separate myself from the family. I love all of you more than anything, I'm just a teenager trying to discover my beliefs and feel that right now this is what I want to do. I love you and I'm sorry you feel like I want to get away from you or something, because I don't."

Let them know you love them and are simply struggling with your beliefs. Throwing in "because I'm a teenager" is good because parents like to say things like that and it's actually true, during your teen years your brain disconnects and you try to find yourself, sometimes making stupid or amazing choices along the way.

As I've stated on another thread, I think all religion is ridiculous. Don't listen to everyone trying to preach to you here; it will probably make you doubt yourself more. Just believe what you want to believe, as long as you don't hurt yourself or others. That's when, IMO, anything becomes wrong.

[Sithking Zero offline]

I don't know how this will effect the way I'll be seen here, but I don't care. For the past 18 years, I have been a christan girl. Sort of. Not really understanding some of my own religion, and finding it vagulay boring. I belive in a God, but I don't like all the rules and contracdictions that the Bible has. (This is not an attack on Christan people...most of my friends are VERY devout church-goers (my boyfriend is too), and as long as they don't preach at me, I"m fine). Two months ago, I decided to give up faking the belief in the Christain reliegion, and changed to Wiccan.
I am NOT a witch.
We believe in a God...and a Goddess. (girl power!!! ). We don't have curses or anything like that. Our power comes from our determination and love for nature. It's not like Wicked, where Elphie can turn people in tin and all that...(though that would be cool...but my life is not like a musical, or Harry Potter. I belive in true magick now.)
I'm sure you're porbably wondering why I call this a rant. Why?
Because my whole family turned against me once they found out. They aren't even all that into Christainity. My dad is a Prostat, my mother is Cathlic, but neither have gone to church in years. They think I'm just rebelling even more. I"m not, I"m making a choice. I felt rather empty while being part of Church and all that...now, I feel better. It's more meaningfull to me. I've always loved nature, and now I can actually be a part of it. Wouldn't that make a parent happy, to know their child has found joy? *sigh* Not my parents, I guess...
I don't know if anyone here is like me (Wiccan, I mean) But even if you're not, but you think you have some helpful advice, please help.

First off, Hi! It's nice to see Fanfiction.net people elsewhere online.

But I digress. I sympathize with your position. I, too, have had my doubts with the Christian/Catholic faith. Personally, I think that though the message is sound, I think too many nutjobs exist that ruin it for everybody else. For example, my confirmation teacher almost made me quit the church, because he was so hardline catholic.

Now, It sounds like I'm just going off on an irrellevent tangent, and am being a bit wishy-washy, I truly think that you are perfectly liscenced to chose what you are going to do with your religion. I mean, you're over eighteen, right? Thusly, you are technically an adult, and are capable of making decisions on your own. If your parents keep taking offense to this, calmly and carefully explain your position, saying exactly why you are doing what you are doing. Before you do this, try to think up possible reasons why they don't want you to do this. Then, think of a reasonable, valid counter-argument and possible ways to make things go more smoothly in your favor. Then, bake a pie. This will serve no real purpose, except maybe you can offer it to your parents as a peace offering, or it may make them more full. (When people are full, they tend to be a little less aggressive, thus making them a little more agreeable.) I do not claim to be an expert in people skills (all right, I suck) but I just wanted to help.

[LadyLucy offline]

Ohhh...I love debates..this is fun!! Thank you for your ideas and words and wonderful advice!!!

I agree with a lot of what you all say (way too lazy at the moment to quote everything), and even if I don't, I"m thankin' you anyway.

That thing with gothic stuff...I belive it was started by Paige? (I could be wrong) I have to admit, it does seem to be true. A friend of mine is a total goth, and she does witchcrafty stuff. But one lil' note...
like I said before, witchcraft and wicca arn't the same thing. THat is a steryotype, this witch=wiccan thing. It's not tottally true. Take my goth friend, for ex. She does do witchcraft, but it's not wicca. She's said so herself. It's darker stuff (yeah, she's into all the curses, and less of the nature end of magick), with kinda creepy rituals and blood-letting and stuff that scared me when she showed me some randome spell she was working on...
Another point on the goth thing. I"m not a goth. My own descrition of me is: sometimes emo, kinda phsyco, artist, werid, romantic and strange. I don't dress in black, though I LOVE hot topic, and a lot of the clothes there. I mix gothy/punk stuff with neon colors, and werid patterns. (needless to say, I like standing out) I listen to mostly punk music (Simple Plan, Avril, Evenesene, NFG,The Rasmus etc), but, I also love world, techno, 80's and jazz.
I also have another wiccan friend (she's truelly wiccan), and she is the LEAST gothic person I know. She's from Cal, so she's like beach girl/bando...

Anyway...I'd ramble on more, but I must go.
One more thing: my mom has accepted (mostly) She's still in shock, but she's offered to buy the talsimens (I suck at spelling) and books I need to start working.
THanks again!!! Blessed be.

[The BB of C offline]

Well, with that being said, I don't think there's much you can do other than to ignore what your parents think about it.