Abortion:Should It, Or Should It Not Be Outlawed?

[Blue Moon offline]

I think it should be outlawed! It's almost like murder, and that you're killing off a child, before it has a chance to grow!! Besides, There are plenty more alternatives, than abortion! Any thougts or opinions?

[Gauntlet offline]

I don't agree with abortions, but it isn't my place to judge people who do so. There are some regrets and psychological issues that arise once you've gone through with an abortion (one of my distant aunts deals with this), and people will cry out if abortions are outlawed. I'm a guy; I'm in no place to tell someone whether to go through with birth or not, but my opinion is, I don't agree with abortions.

People who willingly step into marriage, or a relationship and become pregnant, and then opt for an abortion is not justified to me. People who are victims of sexual harassment or rape might be stuck with an unwanted kid from an unfortunate event, but personally, I'd give the child up to a foster home if they can't raise the child themselves with love and care. Abortions are the easy way out for people, but the longterm effects are grave.

I'm against it, in the end. I don't hold a disgruntled eye for those who went through with it, but there are other options in my mind aside from taking the easy route. Abortion is the easy way out; going through with the child makes you stronger in the end.

[Reesane offline]

What I don't understand is why some people beleve that their moral and ethical belefs enable them to prevent somone from removing a (tecknicly) parisitic organism from their body because it could become a human being.

[CotS offline]

What I don't understand is why some people beleve that their moral and ethical belefs enable them to prevent somone from removing a (tecknicly) parisitic organism from their body because it could become a human being.

I feel I must dissagree with you there. they aren't 'parasitic', they're babies. How do you consider a child a 'parasitic oganism'? And just becuase it hasn't been fully developed yet, doesn't mean it's not a human being, not to mention a LIVING CREATURE.

And I feel about the same as Guantlet on this. I dissagree with it, and I think there are other ways, but in the end, it's the parents choice.

It's almost like murder

Actually I consider it murder. When you have an abortion, you are killing a child. It's the same thing as srangling, or poisoning a baby. When you are given a baby, it's your responsibility to make sure that baby is taken care of. Not kill it because you can't care for it at the moment.

[Gauntlet offline]

What I don't understand is why some people beleve that their moral and ethical belefs enable them to prevent somone from removing a (tecknicly) parisitic organism from their body because it could become a human being.

It can go both ways, Reesane. I wouldn't look at it like a "parasitic organism"--that doesn't sound like something I'd poke with a ten foot pole--but merely an unborn baby that requires love to thrive; if not from the real parent, then a foster parent.

Edit: I'm sorry; I read that over, and I didn't intend for it to sound as insensitive as it came off. Thanks for the notice, Mewberries.

[Tangent128 offline]

I do personally believe that the soul is issued at conception, but you can take a more 'scientific' view too- an embryo has human DNA; therefore, it is a human, and a distinct one from its parents at that.

I also wish more people would adopt, though.

[LadyLucy offline]

I don't say yes, or no. I think that the mother's choice. If it's your body the baby's gonna be coming out of, I think it's your choice if you wanna have that baby or not.

[Mewberries151]

Okay, guys...just as a formality, since this is a highly controversial and touchy subject, I'm going to ask in advance that you keep this professional and clean.

You're free to debate, but out and out arguing, put downs, and/or insults directed towards a person or their beliefs will get this topic (and any similar threads after it) locked.

Just so you know guys, okay? Keep it cool.

[Carth]

Hooray for Medium Mewberries!

Abortion, in my opinion, is horrid, no matter what the cause. It's like a drive-by shooting. The child is an innocent victim, guilty of being only in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I feel sick every time I hear it used. Really.

They teach us some big unit on abortion every year in my school, and there's one peice of info I've never forgotten- the very woman that got abortion legalized (I don't remember whether it was Roe or Wade) is now fighting to prevent it. That's what I call...uh...something. But it's something good.

[Tom Bone offline]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but should this be in BKO

[. offline]

*sigh* I must call for a seperation of church and lyokofreak.

Whats wrong with the current compromise? You can get a full abortion in teh 1st trimaster, it's by doctor's discreation in the 2nd trimaster, and by the 3rd one you can't. Now if you ask me that seems to value the rights of the woman's body and the unborn's right to life.

That being said, I'm an agnostic boy. So it's neither my fight for it, nor against it.

[Gauntlet offline]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but should this be in BKO

I thought about that, but this is general discussion. I don't see anything wrong with it if people are respectful and considerate when voicing their opinion. If it gets out of hand, then a lock or move at the very least may be in order.

[Mewberries151]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but should this be in BKO

I thought about that, but this is general discussion. I don't see anything wrong with it if people are respectful and considerate when voicing their opinion. If it gets out of hand, then a lock or move at the very least may be in order.

Indeed, I believe it can stay here for the now, as we've had other political/ethical discussions held here in GD before. Although, just mind how graphic you guys get about this alright. ^^ I know you guys are responsible.

[TB3]

Hmm - I'm pro-choice.

Now personally, I don't like abortions - however it's not my place to judge unless I'm in the position of the mother-to-be. I cannot possibly imagine the emotions felt at the knowledge of pregnancy - it's very easy to take a stance like 'it's murder' and so-forth, but things are never as cut-and-dried as that. Bringing a life into the world is a very difficult thing wrought with responsibility, and some may not feel up to it, or may not wish to have nine-months of pregnancy completely change their life, or may not wish to bring an unplanned child into a possibly loveless environment.

The main reason for anti-abortion legislation seems to be religious debate (though I will admit some people address it from legal and other perspectives) - as far as I know America has an official seperation of church and state, which should answer the religious question easily enough.

I also know that Abortionists are also made out often to be murderers and criminals to some degree, but from my knowledge they are merely professional medical personel, not blood-thirsty-criminals. That term better suits some of the anti-abortion campaigners I know of, the kind who preach intolorence, who paint-bomb abortion clinics and throw animal blood over the staff, or who like to cram pictures of unborn featuses in the faces of woman who approach the building they're picketing.

Just as each human life is unique, the choice of whether or not to abort an infant is unique to each case - to pass legislation restricting that is to impose totalitarian authority on all cases, regardless of the parent's reasons, feelings and religious beliefs, and also flies in the face of one of America's founding tenets, the right to choice.

[Rail Runner offline]

I am also pro choice....although I think adoption is an awesome choice....as an adopted kid, I speak from experience.

[FènéethxAelita offline]

What I don't understand is why some people beleve that their moral and ethical belefs enable them to prevent somone from removing a (tecknicly) parisitic organism from their body because it could become a human being.

I feel I must dissagree with you there. they aren't 'parasitic', they're babies. How do you consider a child a 'parasitic oganism'? And just becuase it hasn't been fully developed yet, doesn't mean it's not a human being, not to mention a LIVING CREATURE.

And I feel about the same as Guantlet on this. I dissagree with it, and I think there are other ways, but in the end, it's the parents choice.

It's almost like murder

Actually I consider it murder. When you have an abortion, you are killing a child. It's the same thing as srangling, or poisoning a baby. When you are given a baby, it's your responsibility to make sure that baby is taken care of. Not kill it because you can't care for it at the moment.

OUTLAW: STRONG CATHOLIC, no I'm not Irish.

An embryo isn't technichally a parisite, because it is designed to consume other organisms, rather than ataching itself to the mother. The embryo recieves food, it doesn't take it.

That's it, I'm putting an evolution comment in my sig, I'm ped off now!

Adoption, nothing's wrong that.

Yes it is murder, DNA would tell you the embryo is a homo sapian.

[. offline]

well theres your debate. What makes something human and what doesn't. Sure DNA would say it's a human fetus, however is it human or is it a chunk of flesh that will grown into a human? Thats what gets me.

For something to be human to me, it needs a brain. By the 3rd trimaster the chunk of growing flesh now has a brain and if you where to ask me, spiritually I think our souls stay safely lodged inside there. Thats why man has had so much trouble understanding just exactly how our minds function- Big G only knows the blue print as far I would gusse.

So by my thought, just because it can grow into human doesn't make it human. It has no soul. It has no feelings. It is just a mere chunk of flesh.

[MY85 offline]

Okay, guys...just as a formality, since this is a highly controversial and touchy subject, I'm going to ask in advance that you keep this professional and clean.

You're free to debate, but out and out arguing, put downs, and/or insults directed towards a person or their beliefs will get this topic (and any similar threads after it) locked.

Just so you know guys, okay? Keep it cool.

You kill the fun of debate when you put yourself like that. After all, forums live on threads where heat takes place. Arguing and insults gives the thread more activity and excitement. Instead of being just some strict person, just let the people get loose. Threads with controversy and heated stuff are fun and interesting... but that's just me.



Anyways, I'm not against abortion. The abortion puts two lives on the stake and... if the child's already dead, then I have no objection against abortion. If the child has some chance of living, let it live.

In the end, abortion shouldn't be abolished, but it should be up to the woman who should take the decision whetever to go by this way.

There's many things that can go through a woman's mind when it comes to abortion. Many things that neither you or I could understand. Economical situation, ethics, morals, etc.

[CotS offline]

Why does everyone think it's the mothers responsibility? I think the father should have some say in it.
I understand that the mother will have the most responsibility, just because she's the mother, but if the father has any sense at all he would take some part in his kids life.

[FènéethxAelita offline]

Why does everyone think it's the mothers responsibility? I think the father should have some say in it.
I understand that the mother will have the most responsibility, just because she's the mother, but if the father has any sense at all he would take some part in his kids life.

I know I will, unlike my own father.

[DeadViolet offline]

OUTLAW: STRONG CATHOLIC, no I'm not Irish.
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YAY, I'm not the only Christian here!
I'm with Chimera! Abortion is a BIIIIIG No-no! God's gonna smite them for aborting poor Babies!

[YDV offline]

*ignores everyone else's posts*

As far as the issue of abortion goes, I'm pretty much pro-choice. It's up the the mother to decide whether it would be best to go through with it; one has to think about things like her being able to take care of the child, whether it was conceived by a rape, etc. I do think that every person has a right to life, but an embryo is an embryo.

Suppose if the child had been born, and led a miserable life because there was no one to take care of it?

Dammit, Misha, will you stop talking about God smiting everyone? It's getting annoying.

Meh... *decides not to ignore everything*

Why does everyone think it's the mothers responsibility? I think the father should have some say in it.
I understand that the mother will have the most responsibility, just because she's the mother, but if the father has any sense at all he would take some part in his kids life.

True. I agree. I think a lot of the responsibilty belongs to the father, since he was involved in the whole... conception process. And because it's the right thing to do.

[Lani offline]

As far as the issue of abortion goes, I'm pretty much pro-choice. It's up the the mother to decide whether it would be best to go through with it; one has to think about things like her being able to take care of the child, whether it was conceived by a rape, etc. I do think that every person has a right to life, but an embryo is an embryo.

Suppose if the child had been born, and led a miserable life because there was no one to take care of it?

IAWTC

Why does everyone think it's the mothers responsibility? I think the father should have some say in it.
I understand that the mother will have the most responsibility, just because she's the mother, but if the father has any sense at all he would take some part in his kids life.

True. I agree. I think a lot of the responsibilty belongs to the father, since he was involved in the whole... conception process. And because it's the right thing to do.

Screw the father. If I don't want a baby growing inside me, IT WON'T HAPPEN.


Reason #896 why I'm never getting married.

[YDV offline]

I was talking like, after-birth. xD; Excuse me if I got the meaning wrong.

<s>My getting married would not involve this at all so...</s>

I don't think a child really has rights unless it's fully developed. If it's still in an early stage or embryo or something, it's not technically a full human being. I don't mean to sound apathetic, but it's fact. I think if it's almost around spitting out time, to have an abortion then (unless the life of the mother was in danger or it was absoultely impossible to take care of) would be murder. But otherwise, it's not.

[Gauntlet offline]

I was talking like, after-birth. xD; Excuse me if I got the meaning wrong.

<s>My getting married would not involve this at all so...</s>

I don't think a child really has rights unless it's fully developed. If it's still in an early stage or embryo or something, it's not technically a full human being. I don't mean to sound apathetic, but it's fact. I think if it's almost around spitting out time, to have an abortion then (unless the life of the mother was in danger or it was absoultely impossible to take care of) would be murder. But otherwise, it's not.

While it does seem like a technical thing, and while it may be very true that it's "just an embryo", scientific facts cannot pick the answer for you. Going through with an abortion in the first trimester seems acceptable from a doctor's view, but if you look at it from a human point of view, it drastically changes.

You can live your life by facts and numbers, or you can live your life by heart and soul. Everyone is entitled to live life their way, but it's one or the other. Abortion is always tied to fear for me, and there is only fear and love in a person's life. Anger is fear, passion is love. Abortion is a fear of commitment, and a fear of losing the life you once had, and is the only way to escape and return to the life of parties and drinking without responsibility.

Love is not the fear of committing your life to your spouse, or an unwanted child, but the unshakable faith to stand against adversity, and show unconditional love to the child. I'm proposing this idea not from the Christian/Catholic zealotism, but rather, what's good for a person's soul.

Of course, that's my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own. I don't agree that God will smite anyone who goes through with an abortion, as I don't think it's my place to decide.