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[nap* offline]

I've got a question but am not sure if it goes here.

X.A.N.A gets screwed over on earth when Alieta deactivates, but after X.A.N.A posseses her and makes her type code:XANA in a way tower shouldn't he still have control over her? Any tower if activated automatically gets destroyed & deactivated but X.A.N.A should just throw Alieta of a disingrating cliff or something like that, seeing as possesion takes place inside lyoko, look at William, he destroyed Lyoko yet, X.A.N.A still has control over him.

[Cassius335 offline]

Preseumably XANA figured he didn't need to keep control of Aelita once "CODE: XANA" was delivered. Eh, maybe he just like watching the gang run?

[Sithking Zero offline]

I think that perhaps when Aelita is possessed by the Scyphizoa, XANA downloads a portion of himself into Aelita. However, to destroy a sector, I think that you need more then "Code XANA." You also need to input high ammounts of energy, and XANA sacrifices part of himself to fulfill that need. Think of it as a way to make sure no jelous rivals of Franz's come and waltz around Lyoko, killing everything.

Or, the other reason could be that Aelita natrually resists XANAfication, since she's spent so long on Lyoko. THe reason why XANA was able to establish more complete control over William is because William spent a total of what, five, ten minutes on Lyoko? Not nearly enough time to build up a resistance.

[Overcaffeinated Sloth offline]

Technically, ther are only four sectors, and XANA would need aelita for the next sector deletion.

Also that, and if he supposedly has Franz held captive, he could be using Aelita as a bargaining chip for access to new information, and to download more files.

[Key offline]

I there a way something can happen with the "Back in Time" mechanism that can freeze time?

and ive got great news...

IT'S FINALLY HERE!!

The first preview of Code Lyoko: Next Generation!

"Mommy?"
Strange things are happening in Japan. While Miyuki is at school, her mom is home with Miyuki's kid brother. This is just one of the first victims of XANA's new found rage!!

http://media.putfile.com/CL-Next-Generation-Clip--Mommy-

Now you can vote for what will happen to Miyuki's brother!!

Should he live, or die?

[FènéethxAelita offline]

I there a way something can happen with the "Back in Time" mechanism that can freeze time?

and ive got great news...

IT'S FINALLY HERE!!

The first preview of Code Lyoko: Next Generation!

"Mommy?"
Strange things are happening in Japan. While Miyuki is at school, her mom is home with Miyuki's kid brother. This is just one of the first victims of XANA's new found rage!!

http://media.putfile.com/CL-Next-Generation-Clip--Mommy-

Now you can vote for what will happen to Miyuki's brother!!

Should he live, or die?

WTF?

[Key offline]

What do you mean by that?

[Taelia offline]

GivR, please don't advertise your poorly-written fanfiction on the other forums.

[Cassius335 offline]

GivR, please don't advertise your poorly-written fanfiction on the other forums.

Co-signed. We get enough of that from the other bugger.

[Key offline]

Shows how much you know, ITS NOT FANFICTION!

It's an actual movie now!!!

But, whatever, it's fine.

[Jake_Brake offline]

That was really bad!!

Apart from the "XANA-eye" that flashed on the screen for about ½ a second, it didn't look it had anything to do with Code: Lyoko.

It looked like something out of Mystery Science Theatre 3000!

[nap* offline]

The eye flash doesn't mean that it's part of the film it could have either been someone putting the film on windows video maker or something like that and accidently put X.A.N.A's there and if it was part of the film wouldn't the eye have been more CGI.

[Cassius335 offline]

Can we not discuss GivR's crap here? Please?

[JeremyHopper offline]

Seroiusly. Anyway, I've had enough with the hardware, I'm more interested in the software now. I mean hey, if Franz Hopper thought up some of that hardware how can we possibly understand it to it's fullest extent? For example: scientists know that the RNA polymerase transcripts parts of the DNA into mRNA. Scientists don't know how though, they don't even have a clue. We think we know what the Hopperian hardware is, but do we know the finepoints of how it works? So since most likely the software is wthin the grasp of the avarage geniues's mind, let's discuss that. I'd like to see a good emulation of the software on the terminal; not an eye-candy one like that one already made, but one that actually imitates the exact functions of the supercomputer, with fake hardware OUTs, POKEs, and PEEKs. That would be the GREATEST!

[Key offline]

Post Edited by Admin for swearing and rudeness:

GIVR, you can expect a PM about your behavior. This is simply unacceptable.

Please kindly continue your normal discussion beyond this point.

[Tangent128 offline]

Seroiusly. Anyway, I've had enough with the hardware, I'm more interested in the software now. I mean hey, if Franz Hopper thought up some of that hardware how can we possibly understand it to it's fullest extent? For example: scientists know that the RNA polymerase transcripts parts of the DNA into mRNA. Scientists don't know how though, they don't even have a clue. We think we know what the Hopperian hardware is, but do we know the finepoints of how it works? So since most likely the software is wthin the grasp of the avarage geniues's mind, let's discuss that. I'd like to see a good emulation of the software on the terminal; not an eye-candy one like that one already made, but one that actually imitates the exact functions of the supercomputer, with fake hardware OUTs, POKEs, and PEEKs. That would be the GREATEST!

That would be cool- though I doubt Hopper used BASIC.
What language did he use, though? It was likely a custom language, but what language does it most look like? (PHP etc. seen on the screens doesn't count- it was there for a computer code effect, but no deep thought was put into it- it was image gallery code or something, wasn't it?)

It may have been a quantum version of C or Pascal, though I like to think it was closer to Self or Forth.

I guess the only thing to do is to actually write fake code.

[JeremyHopper offline]

Seroiusly. Anyway, I've had enough with the hardware, I'm more interested in the software now. I mean hey, if Franz Hopper thought up some of that hardware how can we possibly understand it to it's fullest extent? For example: scientists know that the RNA polymerase transcripts parts of the DNA into mRNA. Scientists don't know how though, they don't even have a clue. We think we know what the Hopperian hardware is, but do we know the finepoints of how it works? So since most likely the software is wthin the grasp of the avarage geniues's mind, let's discuss that. I'd like to see a good emulation of the software on the terminal; not an eye-candy one like that one already made, but one that actually imitates the exact functions of the supercomputer, with fake hardware OUTs, POKEs, and PEEKs. That would be the GREATEST!

That would be cool- though I doubt Hopper used BASIC.

lol, I know, but I don't know the C++ equivilants to those commands! I wouldn't be so sure it's a custom language, I think the base language might be Python or Unix.

[mooshie offline]

Seroiusly. Anyway, I've had enough with the hardware, I'm more interested in the software now. I mean hey, if Franz Hopper thought up some of that hardware how can we possibly understand it to it's fullest extent? For example: scientists know that the RNA polymerase transcripts parts of the DNA into mRNA. Scientists don't know how though, they don't even have a clue. We think we know what the Hopperian hardware is, but do we know the finepoints of how it works? So since most likely the software is wthin the grasp of the avarage geniues's mind, let's discuss that. I'd like to see a good emulation of the software on the terminal; not an eye-candy one like that one already made, but one that actually imitates the exact functions of the supercomputer, with fake hardware OUTs, POKEs, and PEEKs. That would be the GREATEST!

actually it is already known

during transcription, RNA Polymerase Binds to DNA and seperates the DNA strands. RNA polymerase then used one strand of DNA as a template from which nucleotides are assembled into a strand of RNA

now, you may be thinking, so what, we still don't know how it assembles the RNA from the single strand template, wrong, each half of the DNA has ceratin parts (nucleotides) that say what to do, you probably know this, however what allos DNA to repair itself and to form RNA is that each nucleotide on a strand of DNA can only go with a certain other type (literature buffs know this as them being a foil to each other) and so RNA is made from DNA

[JeremyHopper offline]

Seroiusly. Anyway, I've had enough with the hardware, I'm more interested in the software now. I mean hey, if Franz Hopper thought up some of that hardware how can we possibly understand it to it's fullest extent? For example: scientists know that the RNA polymerase transcripts parts of the DNA into mRNA. Scientists don't know how though, they don't even have a clue. We think we know what the Hopperian hardware is, but do we know the finepoints of how it works? So since most likely the software is wthin the grasp of the avarage geniues's mind, let's discuss that. I'd like to see a good emulation of the software on the terminal; not an eye-candy one like that one already made, but one that actually imitates the exact functions of the supercomputer, with fake hardware OUTs, POKEs, and PEEKs. That would be the GREATEST!

actually it is already known

during transcription, RNA Polymerase Binds to DNA and seperates the DNA strands. RNA polymerase then used one strand of DNA as a template from which nucleotides are assembled into a strand of RNA

now, you may be thinking, so what, we still don't know how it assembles the RNA from the single strand template, wrong, each half of the DNA has ceratin parts (nucleotides) that say what to do, you probably know this, however what allos DNA to repair itself and to form RNA is that each nucleotide on a strand of DNA can only go with a certain other type (literature buffs know this as them being a foil to each other) and so RNA is made from DNA

Okay okay, sure, that stuff is all true, but what does the RNA polymerase do at the molecular level to seperate the strands? How does the RNA "use it as a template"? It doesn't have a brain. ...or does it? Even if the DNA says what to do, how does the RNA "listen" to it and know what to make? Why does A bind with T? The answer scientists have to most of these questions: it just does. Is it just a set of carefully made chemical reactions? Is this... getting off-topic? Wait a sec, let's see if I can apply this to LTT...

Maybe this was answered already (I missed LTT2 entirely) but what does the scanners have to do to the DNA and how does it do it?

[Cassius335 offline]

Okay okay, sure, that stuff is all true, but what does the RNA polymerase do at the molecular level to seperate the strands? How does the RNA "use it as a template"? It doesn't have a brain. ...or does it? Even if the DNA says what to do, how does the RNA "listen" to it and know what to make? Why does A bind with T? The answer scientists have to most of these questions: it just does. Is it just a set of carefully made chemical reactions? Is this... getting off-topic? Wait a sec, let's see if I can apply this to LTT...

It might be as simple as "Because that's what it's designed/programmed to do"

Maybe this was answered already (I missed LTT2 entirely) but what does the scanners have to do to the DNA and how does it do it?

Short version: IIRC, They record it (among other things) and translate it into vDNA, a sort of special compressed format which takes up as lot less space than real DNA would, with (we're assuming) none of that nasty compression loss business.

Try doing a forum search, username=TB3 and Keyword=vDNA. That should find you a better explanation.

[JeremyHopper offline]

Okay okay, sure, that stuff is all true, but what does the RNA polymerase do at the molecular level to seperate the strands? How does the RNA "use it as a template"? It doesn't have a brain. ...or does it? Even if the DNA says what to do, how does the RNA "listen" to it and know what to make? Why does A bind with T? The answer scientists have to most of these questions: it just does. Is it just a set of carefully made chemical reactions? Is this... getting off-topic? Wait a sec, let's see if I can apply this to LTT...

It might be as simple as "Because that's what it's designed/programmed to do"

That's all of it right there.

Maybe this was answered already (I missed LTT2 entirely) but what does the scanners have to do to the DNA and how does it do it?

Short version: IIRC, They record it (among other things) and translate it into vDNA, a sort of special compressed format which takes up as lot less space than real DNA would, with (we're assuming) none of that nasty compression loss business.

Try doing a forum search, username=TB3 and Keyword=vDNA. That should find you a better explanation.

Okay, I'll go do that.

[Astro-Xana offline]

Now I have an interesting question which is that if two people were to be in one scanner and then virtualized, would that actually fuse those two people together into one virtual being? That would be cool because if all the Lyoko warriors were to go into one giant scanner and virtualized, then they would all be fused into one very powerful virtual being in the virtual world who has all the combined powers as well as the appearances of each of the Lyoko warriors.

[mooshie offline]

[quote=Astronomical X.A.N.A.]Now I have an interesting question which is that if two people were to be in one scanner and then virtualized, would that actually fuse those two people together into one virtual being? That would be cool because if all the Lyoko warriors were to go into one giant scanner and virtualized, then they would all be fused into one very powerful virtual being in the virtual world who has all the combined powers as well as the appearances of each of the Lyoko warriors.[/quote]
well if lyoko is made with a programming language that is anything like C, C++, or JAVA they wouldn't be joined on lyoko, bu they would be considered part of the same object in the code, so there might be some limit on how far away from each other they could go, but besides that they would most likely be like they had been virtualized seperately, but when involving that much complexity who knows, maybe the class of object that the lyoko warriors belong to only allow them to have one strand of vDNA, so they would get joined, but we don't really know the intricacies[/quote]

[Cassius335 offline]

Now I have an interesting question which is that if two people were to be in one scanner and then virtualized, would that actually fuse those two people together into one virtual being? That would be cool because if all the Lyoko warriors were to go into one giant scanner and virtualized, then they would all be fused into one very powerful virtual being in the virtual world who has all the combined powers as well as the appearances of each of the Lyoko warriors.

Oh Lord...

And I imagine it'd be horribly confusing for the virtual fusion in question, in the ten minutes or so before the sheer complexity causes the avatar to decompile and expire (Hell, that nearly happened when Odd and Yumi merely swapped bodies! No way would the sytem be capable of handling the fusion you describe)

[JeremyHopper offline]

Now I have an interesting question which is that if two people were to be in one scanner and then virtualized, would that actually fuse those two people together into one virtual being? That would be cool because if all the Lyoko warriors were to go into one giant scanner and virtualized, then they would all be fused into one very powerful virtual being in the virtual world who has all the combined powers as well as the appearances of each of the Lyoko warriors.

Like Cassius said, I think that the computer trying to read all of the DNA in the scanner would cause a meltdown or something... something bad. It would probably have a fail-safe mecahnism to detect multiple DNA strands or whatever.

That brings up another question, what would happen to humans with genetic diseases like triploid karyotype on one of the chromosomes? Also, when the computer reads the DNA, where does it read it from? The whole body? Because cells can have mutations in the DNA, not every cell in the body has the same DNA (it's supposed to be but it's not). So the computer would have to do an avarage between every cell in the body, but that would take a long time! If it reads only one, which one is it and what would happen if that cell had a mutation (big one) in the DNA strand?