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[JeremyHopper offline]

Well like TB3 says:

Jeremie has inmplied before (in 'Fronteir') that the computer can upload data directly without creating a subconcious-generated avatar - he seemed to be planning on using it on himself 'since I won't be fighting'.

I theorize if the computer dosen't find a subconcious it can tap into, it will simply try to virtualize into Lyoko making it look the same as before. Does that mean that the gang could virtualize guns they could use? SWEET

"So whadda you need?"
"Guns. Lots of guns."

-The Matrix

[TB3]

Lol - they probably could - after all the operation of a gun is contained within it's molecular data (metal mechanisms, explosive cordite powder, sharp pointy nasty bullets )

Whether they would though is another - it doesn't quite fit with the...'feel' of the show, though it did extend far enough to show troops of the French army equipped with accurate sidearms and FAMAS F1 assault rifles

Btw - has anyone seen Son-Neko's flash video of Jeremie dreaming he's Neo from the Matrix, except in Lyoko? Guns an all!

[Astro-Xana offline]

Now providing there are going to be towers in Season 4, couldn't Aelita deactivate them all by an advanced method of deactivating them from the interface in Sector 5?

[Sithking Zero offline]

First off, I don't think that they would, for several reasons:

First off: Plot device. If all they have to do is go to sector five, then what's the challenge?

Second off: If I were Franz Hopper or XANA, I would make sure to spread out the control of the system, to make sure that no one person could control the entire system from one point, unless that person was me. I wouldn't let my enemies have access to it at all. Besides, if Aelita could use the interface to deactivate a tower, then XANA could use it to activate all the towers at once, gaining nearly god-like powers.

Alternately, Aelita could use it to activate all the towers at once, and thusly destroy XANA with HER god-like powers., which would kinda ruin the allure of the show, a little.

[Cassius335 offline]

Balance of power has never been one of A-XANA's prime concern's, bless him.

[Lani offline]

I'm sorry for randomly butting in like this, but I was talking about virtualization with my friend today when she asked an interesting question...

The question was, what happened if you were virtualized into Lyoko whilst in a coma? Would you come out awake, still asleep...? Or like a dead person: a floating, lifeless vessel for XANA's use? And what would happen if you were devirted? Would you go back to your sleeping state, or would you be awake? I know you guys have discussed how scanning can heal wounds like cuts and broken limbs... I am really curious now xD;

Thanks for your time! Haha I FEEL LIKE I'M WRITING A LETTER.

[JeremyHopper offline]

I think if someone went into Lyoko with a coma, they would still be in it in Lyoko, because they wouldn't be responding to the environment. They would also come out in a coma. That's my opinion but I'm sure someone else can think of an idea why they would lose the coma in Lyoko. BTW your not butting in at all.

[Chosen_one offline]

Sorry if I'm interrupting anything, but LTT Wiki has been made.

Here it is. If you have any logos or anything, I'd be happy to install them.

And also, if an abiotic object were to be virtualized, I don't think it would appear. When Aelita was resurrected from the hair in the episode "Just In Time," a test tube and cork were placed into the scanner along with the hair, but only Aelita appeared due to the vDNA in the hair. The test tube disappeared and was forgotten about.

[Lyoko SA80 offline]

Lol - they probably could - after all the operation of a gun is contained within it's molecular data (metal mechanisms, explosive cordite powder, sharp pointy nasty bullets )

Whether they would though is another - it doesn't quite fit with the...'feel' of the show, though it did extend far enough to show troops of the French army equipped with accurate sidearms and FAMAS F1 assault rifles

Btw - has anyone seen Son-Neko's flash video of Jeremie dreaming he's Neo from the Matrix, except in Lyoko? Guns an all!

Send the british Royal marines/SAS in or the french speical forces their would the job oucikly and pro like.

[Tangent128 offline]

In regards to Tangent's thought, we don't feel the supercomputer 'understands' the workings of the human mind to that extend - evidence in the show suggests the supercomputer simply imputs the atomic data of the scanned subject's mind into Lyoko's particle simulation system, and then the mind operates as an independant, autonomous function. All the computer need interpret is how the impulses from the mind translate into body motions, and how to feed 'sight', 'sound' and touch etc to the brain in return as similar impulses.

And that's all it really needs to do. Glad that's cleared up!

Yay! Wiki's up! If I weren't so rushed right now, I'd post the link to a potential logo I'd created in LTT II. To those who saw it, is it good enough for now?

[JeremyHopper offline]

Here's my idea of a logo.



Thoughts?

[YDV offline]

I like it.

xD; My idea would be like a picture of the supercomputer and it says like, "LTT. n00bs." or something. But that's just me. (I don't have time to make it right now, so...)

[Naton offline]

The effect on the colored area looks nice, and the shadow, it would make a cool little sig addition since it's a bit blotchy in that size.



Had nothing better to do, (6:20 am? where did the night go..) What do nuts and bolts have to do with the high-tech rhealm of Lyoko? I don't know!

[JeremyHopper offline]

Actually the shadowing just looks screwed up on here, on the wikisite it would be transparent. All in all, it would fit in better on the LTT wiki.

[Tangent128 offline]

Both logos are nice; the first one's color scheme seems a little gloomy, though... could the text's outline be changed to a brighter, possibly higher-wavelength color?
Nuts and bolts are fine, too, since that's what we're picking Lyoko down to.

This is a background tile I'd made earlier:

For my logo submission, I would use a merging of the lower two screens, but I have too many programs running (2 web browsers, one w/ ~60 tabs, and a media player) to start up POV-Ray right now.


And another tech question:
Are the towers the direct links to the outside world, or are they the access points to those links? i.e. if a wire was cut, would the tower be useless, or could it still be directly operated from the inside?

[Chosen_one offline]

Like this?

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[Sithking Zero offline]

Perhaps those were part of files used as a maintenance program for the forest sector, at least, until it got destroyed? That would make sense, for repairing the trees and land masses.

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[Tangent128 offline]

Maybe the forest maintenance is on the first page of options? After all, that sector would probably have needed it the most.

Oooh, Chosen One's mockup looks nicer than I thought! I've rendered it more cleanly here:

(larger version here)

[Sithking Zero offline]

Maybe Aelita likes the trees .

Perhaps the maintenance programs show up before actual surfing of the data can begin, so that if the admin was looking through the data, he wouldn't have to troll through tons of data to get to the "Sector Stats."

[Astro-Xana offline]

First off, I don't think that they would, for several reasons:

First off: Plot device. If all they have to do is go to sector five, then what's the challenge?

Second off: If I were Franz Hopper or XANA, I would make sure to spread out the control of the system, to make sure that no one person could control the entire system from one point, unless that person was me. I wouldn't let my enemies have access to it at all. Besides, if Aelita could use the interface to deactivate a tower, then XANA could use it to activate all the towers at once, gaining nearly god-like powers.

Alternately, Aelita could use it to activate all the towers at once, and thusly destroy XANA with HER god-like powers., which would kinda ruin the allure of the show, a little.

Now I'm sure in Season 4 that Xana will become so powerful that he will be able to activate multiple towers in a way of gaining nearly god-like powers just like you said, but even without Sector 5 being recreated yet. Therefore, when they do recreate Sector 5 (I'm thinking within the Internet which will eventually become that red city, but at first will look normal) to track Xana, that should at first keep Xana from infecting the Internet for a while due to the fact that Sector 5 is a military project designed to block enemy communications (Xana being the enemy with him being blocked from infecting the Internet) as I explained in this post a while ago:

http://www.lyokofreak.net/forum/viewtop ... &start=961

Now my prediction of Sector 5 being recreated did come true and if what I said about it being recreated within the Internet (an exception being Lyoko) is true as well, that would make it sort of a major prediction. But if what what I'm saying about it blocking Xana out of the Internet as well is true also, then that would make it a major prediction. I'm thinking that to begin with, Xana was one with Carthage (which is obviously his home) from the beginning which is why it didn't keep him out and also because it was designed to comply with Xana. But once it was destroyed, I'm thinking that it actually separated Xana from his own home in a way besides simply losing the data. Therefore, when they recover Sector 5, that would recover the data and will also make Xana separate from his own home in a way even though the gang can still use it to track Xana.

Except now, they must recreate Sector 5 differently in which it does still contain Xana's memory which will enable them to track Xana, but they must recreate it much more powerful than before (within the Internet) to keep Xana who has become much more powerful from affecting the Internet. In other words, Xana's home is different now that it has been recreated more powerful than ever (with its ability as a military project designed to block enemy communications much more powerful).

So now when Xana activates multiple towers on his own (which will practically be all of the towers considering how powerful he will become in Season 4), Aelita can go to Sector 5 and operate the interface in deactivating them all. Xana will become outraged by this, but he can do nothing about it since he can't gain access to the Internet nor his own home contained within the Internet which has banned him from the Internet.

But judging from the Season 4 preview with Odd shooting a laser arrow at a creeper in Sector 5, that tells me that Xana will become so powerful that he will be able to break through the defenses of Sector 5 and take over it which would make it "Xana Carthage" and also the Internet as well (which might be that red city [it being red because the color red usually means Xana]).

But anyway, this new method of deactivating towers through the interface will become somewhat difficult at first as they will have to battle Xana's other forces contained on the Replikas before they actually go into Sector 5 contained within the Internet. But then it will become very difficult once Xana takes over and introduces his new monsters in Sector 5 contained within this red city (the Internet) as the gang will now be facing monsters in the Internet as well as in Sector 5.

Also, I'm sure this would be a balance of power because we would have Jeremy and Franz Hopper teaming up with their knowledge (perhaps Franz Hopper will become materialized later in Season 4) and Xana who has become undoubtedly powerful with his ability of activating multiple towers, eventually taking over the Internet and Sector 5, not to mention, his loyal minion, Xana William!

[Chosen_one offline]

Perhaps those were part of files used as a maintenance program for the forest sector, at least, until it got destroyed? That would make sense, for repairing the trees and land masses.

Possible, but one wonders why it shows up /every/ time she accesses the interface.

** Script-wise, they picked up this code because it looks cool, and put it into the interface readout.

Yeah, I think you're right, wartonchan. I'm pretty sure that Moonscoop didn't plan on 11-year-old kids figuring out what that means. They just want to make it look complicated, like those sine/cosine graphs (I can't remember which) that keep showing up even though I'm sure that nothing on Lyoko makes a perfect sine/cosine wave graph.

Oooh, Chosen One's mockup looks nicer than I thought! I've rendered it more cleanly here:

Thanks! Mine's only bad because I used the forum's picture uploading service. The red "LTT_" and the XANA symbol remind me of CODE XANA.

[TB3]

Hi guys - just dropping in to apologise for my frequent absences of late, which will continue for another day or two - it's been hectic here - the Christmas/New Years Holidays are ending and tommorrow I make the 200-mile drive back to university.

Once settled back into the cradle of knowledge (and hard drinking), I'll be back in full force.

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