Seasons 3 Discussion

[LyokoGal offline]

You think the gang could handle X.A.N.A. out side Lyoko without anyone (Like Jim or Sissi) noticing?

[Taelia offline]

Oh, have them notice. Really.

[animenologist offline]

Yes, they have been know to bicker with each other, but they've still never remained angry with each other for an extended period of time. A death would cause the entire group to take a good look at what their actions have lead to, and I think that while Aelita would blame herself, Jeremie would blame himself in return.

Anyway, I've bolded the points you made that said showed a change in Aelita's character. These points are actually just further examples of Aelita's only true weakness which is her martyr complex...her sense of putting everyone else's safety before her own. "Just In Time" was the first example, and "Missing Link", "Ultimatum", and "Contact" are just further instances of this constant character trait, not points where a new one emerged (personally, I don't think Ulrich was left to fend for himself, so much as he was left to fend a tower that Hopper had activated; Aelita left to deactivate a tower in order to save Yumi from the possessed nurse...again putting other's safety above her own interests). Even in "The Key", it's pretty much her martyr complex making itself known, although admittedly to a far greater extent. Aelita hasn't really developed new character traits (other than a sense of individuality)...its more that the character traits she's always had were developed further.

Deja Vu is not a true example of Aelita acting out of any selfish nature (or personal interest) as Jeremie states within the episode that XANA is using his link to her to influence her decisions and memories (thus the activated tower).

But yet, they never started bickering until after Aelita has arrived onto Earth and had a chance to stay at Kadic. Throughout the entirety of Season 1, Frontier was their only 'fight' which wasn't much of a fight at all. Come Season 2, Aelita fighting with Jeremie becomes a occassional occurrence, but still noticeably there. The fact that the bickering went from non-existence to occassional, maybe even semi-common, occurrence can mean Jeremie and Aelita can fight each other with the proper stimulation. There have never been extended fights, maybe because there has never been a reason for extended fights. But some of their fights have lasted a relatively decent amount of time, and for somewhat trivial reasons. Final Mix lasted a few hours over something of being a techno dj. Aelita didn't seem to want to stand up for Jeremie or even talk to him, not even to get his side of the story, after Heidi confronted him about the kiss in XANA's Kiss.

Aelita may have the same martyr complex she has had since Season 1, but her methods have changed. From Season 1, whenever a job needed to be done, she coaxed Jeremie through gentle persuassion and calm reasoning. In Seeing is Believing, when she wanted to determine the course of actions, she asked if she has the right to vote, before casting it and her reason. In Cruel Dilemma and False Start, again she uses gentle persuassion and reasoning to get the job done. Even in Just in Time, Aelita waited until the entire building was falling around Jeremie and the debugging program failed, before making the decision to reformat herself. Unless the situation was really dire, she usually allows the group to make the decisions.

Now in Season 2, she has at times become aggressive in her decision making. The Season 1 Aelita would have not knocked out Jeremie, given Jeremie a chance to figure out a solution in Missing Link, or waited for Odd to get to her in Contact, and probably been calm about getting Jeremie to let her go to Lyoko by herself instead of screaming at him. She has the same feelings of duty she has in Season 1, but multiple times have taken action on her own. In Deja Vu, she may have been influenced by XANA, but it wasn't a direct possession like St. Valentines Day, she still was in control of her own actions. To have her run off like that, she's basically doing something behind the backs of the gang, in similar manner with what Jeremie was doing in Temptation, but atleast that was a potential benefit. Deja Vu was basically her running to Sector 5, just to console herself. And again in The Key when she tried to kill herself, it shows that for a moment, she doubted the gang, she doubted that they could protect her, she doubted that they could stop XANA. With the revelations she's recieved and the trauma its given her and now that her fears have come true, I don't see whats logically wrong with using Jeremie as an outlet for emotional anguish she may be feeling.

It really depends how Aelita has developed since the events of The Key, that can determine her actions. Big events can change people. From Season 1 to Season 2, her character changed due to being human for a while (and being around Odd probably rubbed off on her), so The Key can have interesting consequences on her.

[Cassius335 offline]

That actually would be pretty cool to have a season long rift between Jeremie and Aelita. Have it start out with Jeremie just being the same as he normally is, but Aelita being unusually silent, even cold to him. After about 2-3 episodes, have her snap at him, comparing him to her father, accusing him of being cowardly, thinking only about himself for keeping Aelita alive, and her being tired of fighting XANA. Have it go for half a season where she doesn't talk to him and the only time they communicate is when on missions. Halfway through, she starts feeling empty without Jeremie, maybe slowly realize that although a lot of things bad happened to her because of Jeremie, she feels free because of him. Probably include one last big fight between the two before the finale, sorta as dramatic tension beforehand saying that what was built the last half of the season is suddenly torn down. And during the finale, include some sort of redemption by Jeremie, an act of great courage and love to her, where Aelita forgives him. And now its sounding like I’m writing a bad soap opera, so I best stop. Does it sound as corny to you guys as it does to me?

One thing there: We need a William. Someone to possibly fill the hole Jeremie has left in Aelita's life. Someone who ISN'T Jeremie in as many ways as possible.

[keiman offline]

Think that we'll lose (have die off) any of the characters like say--Franz Hopper (Aelita's dad)? How can they possibly not only defeat and destroy XANA but keep him from killing folks in the real world? And will the time portal reversal work now that XANA is off Lyoko? What is your opinion? I think the government of France is going to get involved with the kids and together they'll hunt XANA and annihilate him once and for all. Thanks and Happy 2006-K&K

[Mewberries151]

But yet, they never started bickering until after Aelita has arrived onto Earth and had a chance to stay at Kadic. Throughout the entirety of Season 1, Frontier was their only 'fight' which wasn't much of a fight at all. Come Season 2, Aelita fighting with Jeremie becomes a occassional occurrence, but still noticeably there. The fact that the bickering went from non-existence to occassional, maybe even semi-common, occurrence can mean Jeremie and Aelita can fight each other with the proper stimulation. There have never been extended fights, maybe because there has never been a reason for extended fights. But some of their fights have lasted a relatively decent amount of time, and for somewhat trivial reasons. Final Mix lasted a few hours over something of being a techno dj. Aelita didn't seem to want to stand up for Jeremie or even talk to him, not even to get his side of the story, after Heidi confronted him about the kiss in XANA's Kiss.

Final Mix lasted a few hours...but then again, to Jeremie, the "Frontier" fight lasted a few hours as well (it was only the next day that he attempted to go to Lyoko to apologize) so the duration of both of those "fights" are still minimal and both were quickly dissolved after the two found time to talk to each other and compromise (or work it out in the case of "Frontier"). It is true that Aelita was not too pleased with the news of "Jeremie" giving a kiss to Heidi, but she simply gave him the cold shoulder...no out and out fighting or shouting on her part. In fact...Jeremie was the only one who became excessively angry in that episode when he saw "Aelita" kiss Nicholas. Jeremie's temper is shorter than hers, thus I doubt she'd start any truly extensive arguement between them because she chooses her battles very carefully...and there's no way that Jeremie would start an arguement with her over XANA's escape, except to blame himself perhaps.

Aelita may have the same martyr complex she has had since Season 1, but her methods have changed. From Season 1, whenever a job needed to be done, she coaxed Jeremie through gentle persuassion and calm reasoning. In Seeing is Believing, when she wanted to determine the course of actions, she asked if she has the right to vote, before casting it and her reason. In Cruel Dilemma and False Start, again she uses gentle persuassion and reasoning to get the job done. Even in Just in Time, Aelita waited until the entire building was falling around Jeremie and the debugging program failed, before making the decision to reformat herself. Unless the situation was really dire, she usually allows the group to make the decisions.

Now in Season 2, she has at times become aggressive in her decision making. The Season 1 Aelita would have not knocked out Jeremie, given Jeremie a chance to figure out a solution in Missing Link, or waited for Odd to get to her in Contact, and probably been calm about getting Jeremie to let her go to Lyoko by herself instead of screaming at him. She has the same feelings of duty she has in Season 1, but multiple times have taken action on her own. In Deja Vu, she may have been influenced by XANA, but it wasn't a direct possession like St. Valentines Day, she still was in control of her own actions. To have her run off like that, she's basically doing something behind the backs of the gang, in similar manner with what Jeremie was doing in Temptation, but atleast that was a potential benefit. Deja Vu was basically her running to Sector 5, just to console herself.

Aelita never knocked out Jeremie; she's never physically hurt him herself. In the instance where she asked Sissi to do it for her ("Ultimatum") there was no time for gentle persuasion...plus she'd already been trying that for the past few scenes, but Jeremie was not relenting. Ironically, this shows that Aelita has not necessarily changed (nor have her methods), but that Jeremie has become more protective of her to the point where she's reduced to drastic measures to even get anything done for the good of others. He started the arguement in "Final Mix" because he was subconsciously trying to protect her (and if she's not within his sight, to him, she's in danger of a XANA attack). "St. Valentines' Day" and "XANA's Kiss" same thing, but with the jealousy factor added in. Aelita's character motives and methods still haven't changed. Jeremie has become so adament about keeping her from harm that her usual methods of gentle persuasion and reasoning aren't quite working any more (and the fact that in season 2, they don't have the time that they used to have against XANA attacks, because of the loss of using multiple RTTPs).

And again in The Key when she tried to kill herself, it shows that for a moment, she doubted the gang, she doubted that they could protect her, she doubted that they could stop XANA. With the revelations she's recieved and the trauma its given her and now that her fears have come true, I don't see whats logically wrong with using Jeremie as an outlet for emotional anguish she may be feeling.

That's not quite true, or at least that's not how I perceived her actions. Aelita didn't doubt that her friends could stop him, much less that they couldn't protect her. She knows her friends, Jeremie especially, would protect her to the end ("I have faith in you"). Aelita shut down the super computer because she believed that XANA would not be able to be stopped <u>in time</u> to stop something drastic from happening (especially with the loss of RTTPs again). Odd nearly died in "Revelations" and Aelita likely knew that it was only a matter of time before someone really did become a casualty, or before someone found them out. Doubt wasn't a factor (although fear for her friends' and other innocent lives probably was). Aelita doesn't doubt her friends abilities to protect her...she doubts in herself and fears their concern for her will be their ultimate un-doing. And this still ties back into her martyr complex; putting her friends and the innocent people around her before herself.

Why it isn't likely is that she has never used anyone as an emotional outlet, even Jeremie. She keeps her hurt to herself, and she never shouts or argues with anyone unless she feels it justified, or in the best interest of the innocent lives at stake. She doesn't argue to get emotions off her shoulders.

It really depends how Aelita has developed since the events of The Key, that can determine her actions. Big events can change people. From Season 1 to Season 2, her character changed due to being human for a while (and being around Odd probably rubbed off on her), so The Key can have interesting consequences on her.

Agreed for the most part, although I still hold that her character has merely been developed further, and not given new aspects. Odd seems to have rubbed off on her, true enough, but mostly in the areas of music, entertainment, and witty banter. The Key will have interesting consequences on all of them, not just her. They are a team after all, and XANA's escape is going to affect them as a unit, as well as individually. The catch is, they seem determined to unite against that.

[TB3]

Hmm..you guys have been going at this with hammer and tongs - my hat off to you!

My own weak contributions as to how Aelita might behave at the outset of Season 3 are the following;

1: It's the start of a new term - we don't know what their arrangements are for the holidays but (XANA attacks notwithstanding), the holiday period is a great time for each kid to blow off steam and work any agression or anger out of their systems, Aelita included.
2: Most of these ideas stem from the idea that Aelita is still angry with her father. I'd just like to point out that Aelita could well have made peace with her father - she is mournful at the idea of his loss as we have seen, and her regained memories might well establish in her mind that even though a crazy, second-rate magician, her father loved her (hence the inclusion of the happy childhood memories).

My thoughts are that Aelita might also be concerned about her mother - based on the imagery of the flashbacks she may well not know what happened to her mother - in her life one day and gone the next - based on the way Mrs. Hopper vanished I'm sure the writers were setting up a substantial plot-piece for the next season or two.

[Taelia offline]

nICE WORK!

[Mewberries151]

Hmm..you guys have been going at this with hammer and tongs - my hat off to you!

My own weak contributions as to how Aelita might behave at the outset of Season 3 are the following;

1: It's the start of a new term - we don't know what their arrangements are for the holidays but (XANA attacks notwithstanding), the holiday period is a great time for each kid to blow off steam and work any agression or anger out of their systems, Aelita included.
2: Most of these ideas stem from the idea that Aelita is still angry with her father. I'd just like to point out that Aelita could well have made peace with her father - she is mournful at the idea of his loss as we have seen, and her regained memories might well establish in her mind that even though a crazy, second-rate magician, her father loved her (hence the inclusion of the happy childhood memories).

The holidays are good for that, but they're also good for spending time together. What's more, I can't imagine any of them actually going anywhere for the holidays though, with the situation as it is (Jeremie and Aelita in particular; Aelita actually technically can't go anywhere, because her real world identity still hasn't been recovered, if it exists at all). Unless their parents drag them off on vacations, I can't see them willfully going anywhere for vacation. Their dedication and vigilance likely wouldn't allow them.

You make a rather interesting point about Aelita's father though. She was definitely mad at him in "The Key", and with very good reason. I think she will reconcile with her father, or at least her father's memory (depending on whether or not they actually can save him as well).

My thoughts are that Aelita might also be concerned about her mother - based on the imagery of the flashbacks she may well not know what happened to her mother - in her life one day and gone the next - based on the way Mrs. Hopper vanished I'm sure the writers were setting up a substantial plot-piece for the next season or two.

Actually...I think that was the writers and animators' subtle way of letting us know she died (and suddenly). I've seen other shows use the "fade away/flash out" cliche to show that a character died very suddenly. Considering that CL is Y7 after all, and that death is a touchy subject in kids' shows, that's what I figured it was. Especially since the next flashback is Aelita close to the age she is now, and living in the Hermitage. That might denote that Hopper moved them out of their mountain lodge shortly after his wife's death in order to escape the memories made their, along with the sadness at losing his wife. Aelita would remember having a mother but she might not have understood the concept of death at the young age she was when her mother passed away, and so merely remembered that period as the time when she had a mom, and later on when it was just her father. That's just my theory though...

Thank you for the tip of the hat, BTW. ^_^

[Cassius335 offline]

I'm guessing Aelita spent the holidays with Yumi and co (a regular arrangement?)

And If Aelita's going to resolve things with her dad, I'd rather it was "on-screen". Otherwise, everyone will be left wondering what happened inbetween.

[*Star* Gazer offline]

Don't want to resurrect a dead thread but I just had to say this.

I was thinking they would put them as teenager's (And I mean older than 14. Atleast 16...)

I think it would be a good idea to do it. (Who know's somebody's theory might come true. LET'S HOPE IT'S MINE! :sighinginlove: I dream of S3...) The other things was as soon as the theme song ends in the beginning, somebody is explaining after all years and something about finally meeting.

[Darkborn offline]

Heres my theroy and it sucks.



THEY ALL DIE! XANA WINS!! MWAAHAHA

Plus the Rating goes up to TV-14!

[lyokowarriorteen20010 offline]

Heres my theroy and it sucks.



THEY ALL DIE! XANA WINS!! MWAAHAHA

Plus the Rating goes up to TV-14!

You are the most twisted evil creepy vile person ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You realy live up to your user name!!!!!!!!! Hmm interesting

[Stonecreek]

Heres my theroy and it sucks.



THEY ALL DIE! XANA WINS!! MWAAHAHA

Plus the Rating goes up to TV-14!

You are the most twisted evil creepy vile person ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You realy live up to your user name!!!!!!!!!

And you're over-reacting. Try to keep an open mind and level head.

[itwhiz.jnr offline]

My thoughts are that Aelita might also be concerned about her mother - based on the imagery of the flashbacks she may well not know what happened to her mother - in her life one day and gone the next - based on the way Mrs. Hopper vanished I'm sure the writers were setting up a substantial plot-piece for the next season or two.

Actually...I think that was the writers and animators' subtle way of letting us know she died (and suddenly). I've seen other shows use the "fade away/flash out" cliche to show that a character died very suddenly. Considering that CL is Y7 after all, and that death is a touchy subject in kids' shows, that's what I figured it was. Especially since the next flashback is Aelita close to the age she is now, and living in the Hermitage. That might denote that Hopper moved them out of their mountain lodge shortly after his wife's death in order to escape the memories made their, along with the sadness at losing his wife. Aelita would remember having a mother but she might not have understood the concept of death at the young age she was when her mother passed away, and so merely remembered that period as the time when she had a mom, and later on when it was just her father. That's just my theory though...

Thank you for the tip of the hat, BTW. ^_^

my theory about aelitas mom is that she died and then there was a time reversal by franz therefore she disappears when the return trip ends

[lyokowarriorteen20010 offline]

Your right I over reacted I edited my post.

[Vora Lyoko offline]

Don't want to resurrect a dead thread but I just had to say this.

I was thinking they would put them as teenager's (And I mean older than 14. Atleast 16...)

I think it would be a good idea to do it. (Who know's somebody's theory might come true. LET'S HOPE IT'S MINE! :sighinginlove: I dream of S3...) The other things was as soon as the theme song ends in the beginning, somebody is explaining after all years and something about finally meeting.

Pfft...you wish...Then again it might happen.

EDIT: WHAT IS WITH THESE QUOTES TODAY?

ANOTHER EDIT: Thanks, Cassius?

[Cassius335 offline]

Rodri suggested ticking 'Disable HTML in this post'...

EDIT: You're Welcome!

[TB3]

This interview appeared months ago on codelyoko.net, but I reckon there are still some clues to be found in it - it's with the show's lead writer.

- Mrs S confirmed the preparation of season 3. Actually, it acts of a short season 3 (15 episodes), that the scenario writers are writing, being used as transition between season 2 and one VERY long, season 4 (40 episodes!!!!) or the changes of characters and decorations will multiply, and which promises to surprise us. William should reconsider the front of the scene, holds, holds... One can amongst other things expect new intrigues in love, but chut! I does not say any more!

Right, breaking this down:

This is a tranistionary season - not filler, but used to effect massive changes in the show in preparation for Season 4

Changes of characters and decorations - obviously this could mean a development of the characters, but I have a suspision that they might physically change. 'Decorations' also could mean anything, but my sneaking thought is that in Season 4 the setting might be wholly different. We'll see.

William looks like he's coming into the spotlight, possibly as a new team-member. That said, I'm still holding out for Sissi!

Intrigues in love...need I say more?

Overall it looks like there's many fresh ideas coming in - my primary fear is that if the show changes fundamentaly (i.e. what if the setting was no longer Kadic) - then what's going to happen to characters we love like Jim, Sissi, Milly and Tamiya.

Just my thoughts.

[Vora Lyoko offline]

Well you never know they might change it to Kadiac High School. Into another building close to the Kadiac Junior High.

[lyokowarriorteen20010 offline]

No more Kadic? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lani offline]

If they're not at Kadic anymore then Imma be sad D: Ah well, they could like... I dunno xD; My mind blanked.

As for William being maybe a new team member? D: Whyy?? Even though he's all like hawt and sexy and stuff, I think that Sissi deserves it more... she's been around since the very beginning and she's developed nicely as a character AND team Lyoko needs more females anyway, so yeah.

My two cents.

EDIT: Oh yeah!! And no more Kadic means no more Thomas Jovilet... D:

[Vora Lyoko offline]

Whose he?

[Lani offline]

THIS man. He's my favorite background character xD;;

[Xieon offline]

If they're not at Kadic anymore then Imma be sad D: Ah well, they could like... I dunno xD; My mind blanked.

As for William being maybe a new team member? D: Whyy?? Even though he's all like hawt and sexy and stuff, I think that Sissi deserves it more... she's been around since the very beginning and she's developed nicely as a character AND team Lyoko needs more females anyway, so yeah.

My two cents.

EDIT: Oh yeah!! And no more Kadic means no more Thomas Jovilet... D:

Just picture Sissy in Lyoko lol.