Let's talk tech (Now with Glossary)!

[DL offline]

oh my god...if I could say bad stuff outside of BKO I would do so right now.
Incase you did not know ZPE has been mathematically proven. I belive TB3 wrote that in a post made along time ago. Every technology that has been mentioned either can happen if we had the supercalculator or is mathematically possible. So before you begin to talk trash do some research! I dare you to google zero-poitn energy and see what you find. You will be supprised. Also incase you are too lazy to do that too let me explain Zero-point energy for you in a few sentences.

Zero-point energy exists in a vacum, even when that vacum is at absolute zero. Basically what that means is no matter is required to create zero point energy. It exists in a vacum. So there. And again:

Do research and come up with a reasonable hypothesis before posting here!!

dear god!

[YDV offline]

Okay, you've crossed the line. This is a peaceful thread. Do not continue insulting us like that. We've arguably come up with a more viable collective theory than anyone else has spare for the guys at AnteScoop themselves.

LOOK at the earlier pages? Okay? Don't say anything else until you have. You'll see that we have not "just come up with three letter acronyms."

And you'll also find that we have already answered most of those questions. The ones that aren't absolutely ludicrous.

[comex offline]

By the way, I really didn't mean to start a flame war, so I will probably leave this thread pretty soon. Sorry.

What do you mean, ZPE has been proven?

[YDV offline]

It's okay. Just try doing your homework before you try kicking the big dogs in the shin, okay? I suggest we resume our peaceful amity before Erynn decides to come lock this. (god forbid...)

[DL offline]

good idea...does she even look at this thread though? and besides what else is left to discuss...untill the last to episode come out...and YDV is right do some research before attacking someone elses theory. Just make sure you have a theroy of your own as well ok? sorry for loosing my temper, almost never happens. my bad just do your homework before bashing a theory. oh YDV I thoink Moonscope has no idea how the RTTP works. I have $20 on them using this thread. lol

[xxJeanGreyxx offline]

Go TB3! I just wanted to say you all are very smart. ^^ All your words confuse me. j/k. Keep up the work. ^______^

[YDV offline]

Yeah, I know. Hmm, think we should translate it into French and get one of our captives-- i mean, VA's-- to send it to MoonFilms? (I alternate between that and AnteScoop lol)

Oh, and thanks for replying to all of comex's.. well.. silly questions. TB3.

EDIT: I typed the first part before Jean and TB3 posted... anyway, thank you!

[comex offline]

Asking questions is immature? I'm just trying to see if we can fill in some of the holes (including the ones about me not understanding what you're saying). If you think that's stupid, please cease to quote me.

And as for a question that isn't argumentative, what do you mean by the vDNA appearing in real life when people are pixelized?

No, because spending two weeks, ten members and 250 posts wrangling out a collective idea makes it viable. The three letter acronyms started as a way of us not having to type out collections of text multiple tims, like RTTP for Return to the Past.

RTTP I'm fine with.

Seriously, people. You say that there is an infinite amount of pure energy in this alternate universe that somehow makes someone superpowered. And then you tell me that that's viable.

Quotes from WIKIPEDIA, the online Encyclopedia: "Zero-point energy shares a problem with the Dirac sea: both are potentially infinite."

Quotes from WIKIPEDIA, the online Encyclopedia: "Unsolved problems in physics: Is zero-point energy physical, and if so, are there any practical applications?"

ZPE exists

Point me to where it says it's a seperate universe.

I honestly think that yours is just as viable as any other, but I think that calling it STA and vDNA and TOA and ZPE makes it such a good theory.

Again, read top thread - these started out of practicality, even though they do sound cool, and are beginning to creep into threads outside of this one.

Has it ever been shown that Jeremie understands 100% how all this works? And also has the reason for mentioning an alternate reality ever crept in - would Yumi, Odd and Ulrich be interested in science-jargon that does not directly relate to them?

But when he does get the opportunity to spew out science-jargon, which he does do, like in Tip-Top Shape, he doesn't say anything about it. And frankly, if I were Jeremie, I'd talk more about the existence of a parallel universe (might be interesting) than about gathering huge amounts of data in some wire. So far we've heard nothing.

We have decided that the avatars are merely wireframes, and the actual conciousness is stored in a seperate data-bank. And the 'iffy' question of howmany senses exist in Lyoko sense it seems to change frequently (how can one feel pain without having a sense of touch?)

I agree, but then what is the difference between DNA and vDNA?

Becuse you actually need to MOVE the cntrols to MOVE the vehical, and it is the action that requires the least effort. Coating the control surface with routers and using those to steer, accelarate, change gear etc. is much more efficient than coating them all over the engine/gearbox/steering-bar etc.

But if that is the method of control, why was the fact that it was an electric bus stressed, and why was the driver able to floor it, but no response?

me saying stupid stuff

Yeah, that was the 'stupid' line.

Where would Jeremie build it? How would he build it? Why would he build it?

You tell me, given that we have all these weird devices to transport energy between our universe and a parallel one with infinite energy.

[comex offline]

*sigh* The electric bus's levers were being controlled. But you're right, this is pointless, so I will shut up. No, seriously, this is actually the last post I'll make until I have a constructive comment; I won't start a page-long flame war over when I will stop posting.

[animenologist offline]

Wow, I take a nap for a few hours and missed something of a discussion. This is probably the last time I go to sleep early. I zonked out around the time when TB3 created a condensed version of our theories concerning pixelization. Which might I add was really, really nice.

Anyways, this is probably too late since every thing has been stated quite nicely by the other major contributors to this thread, but whatever. This thread is basically taking scientific principles and applying it, sometimes in somewhat exaggerated forms, to create logical conclusions to explain how the technical items on Lyoko. Maybe everything we say is not entirely possible, but everything has been researched and everything we've said has been shown to be consistent with how the show works. We can't explain everything, nor prove everything, because lots of answers have not been reveiled in show. This is science fiction we're talking about after all.

And even still, science deals with evidence, not proof. We can never tell you absolutely how that this is how the machinery works until the writers say so. What we can do is pool together our thoughts and place out things that seem to be consistent with the evidence. If it remains consistent with what is given to us, we keep it and build upon it. If not, we either reform it or discard it entirely and create a new one that fits. Everything we've said has some outside scientific backing placed in Lyoko context and remains consistent with the shows working or has in-show evidence that we take to a logical conclusion and sometimes supplement with actual scientific thought. Another theory can not be created, unless there is evidence is brought in to support it. If you have evidence to another theory, we can debate its validity based on the evidence we have. But don't go knocking the basics blocks of our theory, because we can't explain how it works in its entirety. Kinda like you don't go knocking Isaac Newton on his theories of gravity when he himself couldn't explain what gravity is.

Well now that thats outta the way, looks like Dec. 9 is the new date to start wrapping up, and I hope it stays that way. Watching the preview clips on CN, it seemed like Jeremie virtualized an evil Odd, that was used by Xana to turn into its shape-shifting clone. Now there are two thoughts on what he did, he disposed of the real Odd and sent in a polymorphic clone. My other thought would be that Xana's increase in power, he was finally able to take over a defender and sent him to do his bidding. That means lots of possibilities.

If thought one is what occurred, than its possible to transfer one body and virtualize it in outside its normal vDNA, though with a slight error as Jeremie reported. This is reinforced in A Fine Mess sorta when Yumi and Odd vDNA transferred them to different bodies. It could be possible to reverse the process. So speaking theoretically, I can virtualize Yumi into Odd's body.

If thought two is what occurred, than Xana used his spectre to corrupt Odd's vDNA, and changed it to give Odd to transform. Its possible that as he was being virtualized, after gaining information from his card concerning Odd's abilities to, he could've hacked into the console to gain information on the other players cards, thus able to have his abilities transferred.

Other people can probably put in some other thoughts about it.

[comex offline]

So speaking theoretically, I can virtualize Yumi into Odd's body.

Um, that did happen.

So, vDNA contains memories? I don't see how, physically, it is possible to actually switch the brains of people- especially by accident. So the only thing probably changed was just the memories, ..., and that is part of vDNA? Not sure if I fully understand that theory.

[YDV offline]

The vDNA does not contain memories. A person's consciousness is stored in a different section until they are combined to be virtualized on Lyoko. (read! back! please! i beg of you!)

Anyway.. I don't remember exactly what I said on this topic (if I said anything at all @.@) but I believe that the XANA caused a bug in the DeVirt program; that's why its and the scanners' failsafes didn't stop Yumi from being materialized into Odd's body and vice versa, because it thought it was doing what it was supposed to.

I agree with your thought two.

[animenologist offline]

Technically, it didn't virtualize Yumi into Odd's virtual body, it virtualized Odd with Yumi's conscious, into Odd's virtual body.

And vDNA does not contains memories. We believe that a person's neural system is contained in a separate holding area and linkd to the virtual body. Due to a bug in the de-virtualization program, whether Xana induced or due to something during its conception, the neural patterns when devirtualized were placed in the wrong bodies. Whether this bug was Xana-induced or not, has not been explicitly stated. Though since no tower was activated and Jeremie did not give credit to Xana, I would say it was actually a problem with the software since its conception.

[animenologist offline]

Kinda reminds me of something my Operating Systems professor stated. Its possible to estimate the number of faults in an operating system, depending on the lines of code used to create it. Something like an operating system for every 10,000 lines of code can has an estimate of like 100 faults if it was not checked thoroughly, 20 faults if it was. Unfortunately I don't have my OS book with me, so I can't back it up completely and those numbers are arbitrarily made up, but I do remember him saying that and lecturing about it.

[Chad Rains offline]

it definitely makes sense though. the more lines of code you have, the harder it becomes to check every single line for mistakes. add to that the fact that some lines of code can depend on others so if you change one line, it could end up bugging up other lines.

but if you are working small time on like <100 lines of code, its fairly easy to go back and make sure everything is correct and proper.

Im a fairly avid php user myself. not a pro by any means, but I get by.

[YDV offline]

Right. And Lyoko probably has, like, what... 10 million lines of code? More? @.@

[animenologist offline]

Bets on its those faults that probably allowed Xana to go rogue. And having Jeremie messing around in certain cases aren't helping the situation. Marabounta, Temptation, Tip-Top Shape, and Just in Time, working at the console like that at times compounds the problem. Atleast he balances it out with some good, the materialization program, vehicles, super scanner, etc.

[comex offline]

Hmm. How many faults does it give Lyoko? Personally, I think that the amount of faults is exponential, not linear, compared to the number of lines of code.