Let's Talk Tech II - Over a year of Tech! :)

[Rudger offline]

It works for me, good thing I havent started writing that chapter of my fanfic yet.

ON THE HOLOSPHERE
It doesn't seem that it is too hard of a concept. It doesn't actually do anything except display holographic images. It most likely works like any other holgram projector. I dont know how they workmyself, but I'm sure somebody here does. I think, if I remember the descriptons based on my sci fi books, that it has something to do with crossing light beams at specific points to make an image seem to float in mid air. But then again I may just be st00pid and should shut my cake hole.

[Sithking Zero offline]

I never mentioned the Holosphere. I only covered possible reasons why they had to be virtualized so far away from the towers in Lyoko.

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

I like the new theories on materialization and the anti virtualization program

for the hollow sphere... yeah it's probably just the beams being projected in the right places causing it... that or one I've seen was an optical allusion with a coin in this little box with mirrors... The mirrors did the same thing with light and made look like the coin was floating over the box just a hair. Again, using projector and this mirror set up... Who’s to say it can't happen (though it's more likely that it's the actual light on light trick)

And as to why the towers glow red when XANA uses them... same reason as to why blue for neutral/Aelita, green for Jeremie and white for Franze... part of how they work I think... it's only an ecstatic thing.. maybe it show's who's logged in, maybe it's who ever is using it changes the field around it, maybe an activated tower automatically makes the anti-verbalization field and that is part of the colored aurora... that's anybody’s guess at this point.

[TB3]

Nice pints on the Holo-sphere Rudger, I'll look into it.

As for the towers I thought they could be one of two things;

A display of who's using them, like an IP tag

A stutus display - i.e. Blue - Neutral, Red - Remote Operation from inside Lyoko, Green - External Operation from outside Lyoko, White - Internal Operation from inside the Tower

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

Hum, that' aslo a good idea... either one works for me

[Cassius335 offline]

Nice pints on the Holo-sphere Rudger, I'll look into it.

As for the towers I thought they could be one of two things;

A display of who's using them, like an IP tag

A stutus display - i.e. Blue - Neutral, Red - Remote Operation from inside Lyoko, Green - External Operation from outside Lyoko, White - Internal Operation from inside the Tower

Maybe that should be 'Green: External Operation from Console'? As for white: we don't know for certain Franz is even IN a tower. Hell, can we be sure he's even on Lyoko (ie Cartharge)?

[Chosen_one offline]

I think Franz Hopper is possibly an entity like XANA.

Also, I don't mean to interrupt, but I think the reason Franz Hopper wanted to destroy Project Carthage is because he wants revenge on the French military. Franz is a German name, so maybe Franz Hopper is a German who is angry at the Allied powers for the totally unfair outcomes of the Treaty of Versailles. And Versailles, obviously, is a city in France.

Just a thought.

[lyokonita offline]

maybe the people on the Carthage project become ambicious and they want more political power in the country, maybe take over the goverment. being part of the project ones he know all the dirty secrets of the Carthage project, so he dicide stop it, how making XANA, but it get out of control and bla bla bla...

Just a thought.

[YDV offline]

Hehe - Sithking makes a valid point - we've never talked about how the holosphere system works. Anyone want to take a crack at that.

And guys, we now have a deadline by which LTT the essay MUST be finished - August 27th - I can't say why, but we've gonna push hard now.

To this end I've been obsessing over some problems I had with the scanners.

SCANNERS

To date we've always said that the scanners convert matter to energy and vice-versa. i.e. the body is converted to electricity, that electricity is stored and then used to reconstruct the body.

The only problem I had with this is that there is NO WAY IN HEAVEN AND EARTH to store the amount of energy contained in the human body. Considering the energy stored in a few grams of plutonium can wipe out Hiroshima, consider how much is contained in a human body.

So the other option was that power from the nuclear batter is converted to matter and used to build the body. Again this doesn't wash, because the battery is tiny, and to build a body you need the equilivent mass/energy.

This had me stumped, until I realised there is a fuel source all around the factory.

The river Seinne.

River water can be pumped into a storage chamber under the scanners. When a body is materialised, this stuff is converted via a ZPS rift into a gas - probably Dry Ice gas (Carbon Dioxide and Water) - this is then vented into the scanner, and is used to build the body via the method described months ago.

Any gas left over when the reconstruction is finished is then vented through the scanner doors - and we can see this in the show.

Does this work for you guys?

Deadline now, eh? Hmm.

I'm not entirely sure about this one, though. It seems kind of sketchy.... so you're saying that the bodies are materialized by converting the energy contained in...river water gas.....? Or am I misunderstandng? I mean, I suppose it could WORK.... I wonder how much energy, really, IS contained in the human body. It would be nice if we could get some friendly physicist to figure out if it's possible to store it.

But then again, we must consider that this actually IS science fiction, and artistic lisence does allow them to take a few liberties with the laws of physics... (If they weren't stretching them enough already xD)

I dunno. Maybe I'm just being stubborn.

Yes, I pretty much agree on the tower colors being user ID or something...

I think Franz Hopper is possibly an entity like XANA.

Also, I don't mean to interrupt, but I think the reason Franz Hopper wanted to destroy Project Carthage is because he wants revenge on the French military. Franz is a German name, so maybe Franz Hopper is a German who is angry at the Allied powers for the totally unfair outcomes of the Treaty of Versailles. And Versailles, obviously, is a city in France.

Just a thought.

We've pretty much confirmed Hopper actually -was- Aelita's father... D: I mean he's trapped on Lyoko but he's not just an AI.

Er... for one, I don't think the German populace in general is still THAT angry at France.... and that might be plausible, but Hopper happens to be an English surname. xD; Plenty of people's first names are of different national origin, and it doesn't necessarily mean they're from there.

[TB3]

Yup - Franz was British, foresaw the Iraq war, and decided to get back at the 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' before they refused to help the coalition.

Fair enough YDV about your doubts - would you like to AIM or Skype chat so I can explain my reasoning in more detail?

[Chosen_one offline]

The energy from a nuclear weapon comes from nuclear fission (i.e. splitting an atom) or fusion and the radioactivity of the leftover particles rather than from converting the uranium or plutonium into energy. So, maybe an ounce of plutonium doesn't have that much energy. The human body isn't made of any such elements, and the energy it is converted to won't be as powerful as a nuclear weapon. Also, if the human body is converted into energy but not stored, then where does it go?

However, I like the river idea as it explains the gas that comes out of the scanner when somebody materializes.

Now here's a question:
If the bodies are converted to energy, surely the Lyokons would die. How is it possible that the materialized body built from energy is alive and thinks the same way? I know that Dolly the sheep was successfully cloned and is alive, but surely a bunch of atoms formed from energy wouldn't produce living cells, and surely the brain produced wouldn't think the same way... unless that information about the brain is stored in the supercomputer and the brain is rebuilt according to those parameters?

Was this already discussed?

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

This has been discussed... but here it is simple (as I understand it)

First about the power out put of converting a person’s body to energy... if you convert completely, in any way... fusion, fission, or our way, which is by shunting the body in to Zero Point Space, which disperses an equivalent amount of energy, and destroying the body in to more energy at some point.
The amount of energy is easy to find, and is as followed. The amount of energy you get from any object is equal to its mass, times the speed of light squared... that's right folks E=MC^2. Simple right?

What happens to the energy is that is can be used by the system for different things. It can be saved as the main bases for the metallization of someone, it could be used to make something else, power the supercomputer, or maybe even help with the RTTP process. it's free energy, and as humans normally have a bit of mass to them, a lot of said free energy.

Now about the “are they deadâ€

[Tangent128 offline]

Actually, a human body contains much more energy than an ounce of Plutonium; E=mc^2 means that matter is just very compact energy, so an ounce of anything has just as much energy as an ounce of anything else. However, this energy is largely "locked up". Nuclear reactions can extract some of this energy, but you are still left with mostly unconverted energy in the form of another element/isotope. The only real-world way to get 100% conversion is to introduce an equal amount of antimatter; when antimatter and matter react, they are both converted into energy. It works in reverse, too: in a PET scan, high-energy photons create an electron-positron pair when they strike an atom.
Of course, such conversion would be far easier with a ZPS rift, but our scientists are limited by reality .

Actual numbers: (skip here if the above looks like Greek)
According to this calculator, a 130-pound human would contain the energy of 1266 megatons of TNT!
The Hiroshima bomb had a yield of only 12-15 kilotons.

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

Yes, and that’s kinda what I’m saying on that part

However, the conversion part. We are using a bit of artistic sci-fi license saying that ZPS would make a perfect conversion form matter to energy (it's suppose to be a dimension of pure energy.. so what happens to matter? It would convert to Energy is our thought.)

[mooshie offline]

well if it is a continuum/plane/dimension of pure energy, then that much energy would probably convert matter into energy, or it might be that it just floats around, in which case maybe, it isn't comprised entirely of energy, but of partially energized matter, or maybe has different regions, some of which are matter, some energy, some partially energized, and the supercomputer creates a rift wherever nescessary, or I might be completely off base and just using up space, who knows?, but those are my theories and as always feel free to ignore me and go back to your own theories

[TB3]

Hi guys

Right essay update time - I've defined ZPS as a plasma of ionised atoms, and depending on how you control the rift, you can extract this in various ways.

The main problem I have, is that the NAME Zero-Point-Space is becoming too confusing - when I look at what I write I get mixed up between ZPE and ZPS, and so I want to make a radical proposal.

I want to rename Zero-Point-Space. I'm not sure what to name it - 'Hopper Space' comes to mind, since the Dirac Sea concept is known after it's 'discoverer', Paul Dirac.

I really need you guys' thoughts on this one, and possible names if you have any.

EDIT: While on the subject, which of these two spellings do you prefer?

Exertanium?

Exetanium?

Either way, it's pronounced 'Ecks-er-tanium'

[Rudger offline]

Maybe we should call it LFspace or LTTspace. Just kidding, Im not sure what to call it but I posted to say that I like Exertanium better than Exetanium but your choice. actually Hopper space kind of sounds good, maybe with a twist like Hopperanian space or something. Just a thought.

[Tangent128 offline]

The Hopper Sea?

"subspace" is a little boring, but otherwise workable.

Definately "Exertanium" - you need the R, or everybody will call it 'Ex-it-tanium'

On a side note:
Has anybody else noticed how these theories apply just as well to Stargate?
Exertanium = Naquadah, ZPS (or whatever) = subspace.

[TB3]

Yup - I noticed it applies to Stargate very well.

With a little push you can also apply this stuff to:

NEON GENESIS EVANGELION

Angels gain their power from S2 organs. Since 'S2' stands for 'Super-Solenoid' Engine/Organ it suggests superconductivity plays a role.

S2 organs/engines also seem connected to Quantum Realities - as shown by the Angel that absorbed Unit 01 into a Dirac Sea, and when Unit 04 sucked a large chunk of Nevada into just such a plane of existance.

So, in short: S2 Engine = Exertanium-similar Nuclear Battery/Scanner

Dirac Sea = ZPS/Hopper Space - whatever name you want to apply.

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IT'S ALL GOOD!

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

Personally I still Like Zero Point Space... but that's just me

TB3... why... OH WHY, did you have to remind me of that... first time you said to me Dirac Sea... Eva popped in to mind, and yes there is a lot of similarities to Stargate... especially when in last few seasons... what has been the favorite new toy/power source of the writers... Zero Point Energy

[TB3]

Personally I still Like Zero Point Space... but that's just me

TB3... why... OH WHY, did you have to remind me of that... first time you said to me Dirac Sea... Eva popped in to mind, and yes there is a lot of similarities to Stargate... especially when in last few seasons... what has been the favorite new toy/power source of the writers... Zero Point Energy

See - it's all good!

The problem regarding ZPE and ZPS is that if it's difficult enough for ourselves to differentiate between the two, how will it be for the peeps at Moonscoop?

[Cassius335 offline]

Hi guys

Right essay update time - I've defined ZPS as a plasma of ionised atoms, and depending on how you control the rift, you can extract this in various ways.

The main problem I have, is that the NAME Zero-Point-Space is becoming too confusing - when I look at what I write I get mixed up between ZPE and ZPS, and so I want to make a radical proposal.

I want to rename Zero-Point-Space. I'm not sure what to name it - 'Hopper Space' comes to mind, since the Dirac Sea concept is known after it's 'discoverer', Paul Dirac.

I really need you guys' thoughts on this one, and possible names if you have any.

What about 'the Morphin Grid'? :p

EDIT: While on the subject, which of these two spellings do you prefer?

Exertanium?

Exetanium?

Either way, it's pronounced 'Ecks-er-tanium'

Going by pronunciation, the first one.

[Chupathingy 42 offline]

What about 'the Morphin Grid'? :p

Hum... well... as long as they don't start using giant robot dinos to fight Xana... *remembers outtake from certain fanfiction* ... oh no...

unfortunately there is the one major connection there... Zeds Putties with the big killing Z = eye of XANA on monsters

Hum… wonder if Zed and XANA are related

[Cassius335 offline]

Hum... well... as long as they don't start using giant robot dinos to fight Xana...

Answering that seriously, I can see the "Lyoko Megazord" being more vehicle-related (maybe something like SWAT Megazord, formed from the five SWAT Flyers) though I suppose iot depends on Jeremie's taste, since he'd be the one designing it (as well as whether he'd be coming along or not). The mecha almost certainly won't be called 'Zords', of course.

[Sithking Zero offline]

Still, that would be awesome to see giant robots fighting XANA...