Islam

[. offline]

Why should I even give a d*mn about another religion when I have ever so much trouble dealing with my own head? For a girl duh.

um whats the deal with Muslim girls in America... can they date outside of their religion? generally speaking of course.

[Carth]

Awwww...is Pepsi a widdle wuvsick? *brick'd several times over* uh...don't reply to that...

Well, I don't know Islam that thoroughly. I looked it up (on Wikipedia, mind you), and apparently, they can't MARRY outside their religion. Not sure about dating.

So, I'd think the only way to get a real, straight, modern opinion is to check with a Muslim, or read a book on it. Or something. Sorry I can't be more of a help.

[Gauntlet offline]

Well, I don't know Islam that thoroughly. I looked it up (on Wikipedia, mind you), and apparently, they can't MARRY outside their religion. Not sure about dating.

So, I'd think the only way to get a real, straight, modern opinion is to check with a Muslim, or read a book on it. Or something. Sorry I can't be more of a help.

Honestly, you're going to be facing a lot of trouble, Pepsi. Muslim men can marry Christian women (seen as converting a Christian to Islam), but Muslim women risk death by marrying Christian men, as do the spouses, in most parts of the Middle East. If she is of Middle Eastern descent, there may be some conflict with her parents. They probably won't actually kill you, but you can be sure you two will deal with many problems, possibly alienating her from her family (the Middle Eastern culture is very big on public images, and your reputation, as well as the family you are connected to, can be destroyed in a matter of weeks if you do something like marry a Christian man). I'm pretty sure this will extend to dating, too.

I dislike most aspects of the Middle Eastern culture for this reason (and I'm part Arab, so shut up). They're very extreme in most areas, religion being one of the hot topics. I don't know about Islam in other countries, though, so maybe they're less anal about things if they're from a country other than the Middle East.

[. offline]

Well, I don't know Islam that thoroughly. I looked it up (on Wikipedia, mind you), and apparently, they can't MARRY outside their religion. Not sure about dating.

So, I'd think the only way to get a real, straight, modern opinion is to check with a Muslim, or read a book on it. Or something. Sorry I can't be more of a help.

Honestly, you're going to be facing a lot of trouble, Pepsi. Muslim men can marry Christian women (seen as converting a Christian to Islam), but Muslim women risk death by marrying Christian men, as do the spouses, in most parts of the Middle East. If she is of Middle Eastern descent, there may be some conflict with her parents. They probably won't actually kill you, but you can be sure you two will deal with many problems, possibly alienating her from her family (the Middle Eastern culture is very big on public images, and your reputation, as well as the family you are connected to, can be destroyed in a matter of weeks if you do something like marry a Christian man). I'm pretty sure this will extend to dating, too.

I dislike most aspects of the Middle Eastern culture for this reason (and I'm part Arab, so shut up). They're very extreme in most areas, religion being one of the hot topics. I don't know about Islam in other countries, though, so maybe they're less anal about things if they're from a country other than the Middle East.

*poke* I'm agnostic though......

[Gauntlet offline]

Oh, right.

...I honestly have no idea how that will play out. The Middle East, as you probably know, mainly consists of Islam (and it's many denominations), Christianity and Judaism, but I have yet to hear of Atheism/Agnosticism there. There are differences between Islamic tradition and the rituals (or lack-thereof) in Agnosticism. The different theological views than the Abrahamic religions may create some conflict. There's also that little gem called discrimination that she (and you, too) might face, especially with the war in Iraq right now, amongst other things.

I don't know if you're planning on marrying her, or simply just to date for now, but don't try anything risque out of wedlock. The Middle East takes intimate contact (not necessarily sexual) very seriously, because, of course, their family's pride and reputation is on the line, and that gives them permission to kill their daughters for being "sluts". Harsh, but true: In my grandparent's neighborhood, about a year ago, a Muslim family lived across from them. If I recall the details correctly, the Muslim daughter was caught kissing a boy from school, and her father nearly strangled her to death (I wish I was kidding). He went to jail, and his family moved back to Jordan.

It may just be my experience, being surrounded by that culture, and bias, but I think it may be best not to mingle in this area. The Middle Eastern culture, as a whole (not just Islam) is very extreme and close-minded, and you put quite a few things on the line for her by dating her. If her parents are not particularly attached to the Middle East, then things may come out alright, but I don't know for sure.

[. offline]

Oh, right.

...I honestly have no idea how that will play out. The Middle East, as you probably know, mainly consists of Islam (and it's many denominations), Christianity and Judaism, but I have yet to hear of Atheism/Agnosticism there. There are differences between Islamic tradition and the rituals (or lack-thereof) in Agnosticism. The different theological views than the Abrahamic religions may create some conflict. There's also that little gem called discrimination that she (and you, too) might face, especially with the war in Iraq right now, amongst other things.

I don't know if you're planning on marrying her, or simply just to date for now, but don't try anything risque out of wedlock. The Middle East takes intimate contact (not necessarily sexual) very seriously, because, of course, their family's pride and reputation is on the line, and that gives them permission to kill their daughters for being "sluts". Harsh, but true: In my grandparent's neighborhood, about a year ago, a Muslim family lived across from them. If I recall the details correctly, the Muslim daughter was caught kissing a boy from school, and her father nearly strangled her to death (I wish I was kidding). He went to jail, and his family moved back to Jordan.

It may just be my experience, being surrounded by that culture, and bias, but I think it may be best not to mingle in this area. The Middle Eastern culture, as a whole (not just Islam) is very extreme and close-minded, and you put quite a few things on the line for her by dating her. If her parents are not particularly attached to the Middle East, then things may come out alright, but I don't know for sure.

If it helps shes from Turkey... Wikipedia says they got religious secularism in the goverment, so thats probbly a good thing.

[matsumo itsu offline]

i heard islam or iran is extremly scrict about what girls wear there. so sorry about it.

[JesusFreak offline]

I'm...not getting involved in this.

[knifey offline]

I'm...not getting involved in this.

<B>POCKETFIRE SAYS:</B>
well then don't post idiot, stop raising your post count by saying "JUST INCASE U WANT 2 NO IM NOT EVEN GUNA GET INVOLVED"

Yeah, all freaking LF wants to know whether or not the religious nut-case, who every one thinks is annoying, cares about this.

STFU and stop raising your freaking post count noob.

go to www.Jesus.com or something if you want to talk about your religion so much poop-fart-bag.

[JesusFreak offline]

Gee, I'm sorry I didn't write a whole post my reasons for not geting involved ( maybe this might come off as a surprise to you, but religion is NOT the reason I'm not geting involved. I'm reading about this sort of custom-issue thing and it was a set up for something else.), my reasons for posting, Whether I prefer crossiants to waffles, or for not quoting Bible verses left and right.


Poop-fart-bag? Real mature.

[. offline]

i heard islam or iran is extremly scrict about what girls wear there. so sorry about it.

Did I stutter when I said Turkey?

Gee, I'm sorry I didn't write a whole post my reasons for not geting involved ( maybe this might come off as a surprise to you, but religion is NOT the reason I'm not geting involved. I'm reading about this sort of custom-issue thing and it was a set up for something else.), my reasons for posting, Whether I prefer crossiants to waffles, or for not quoting Bible verses left and right.


Poop-fart-bag? Real mature.

JF if you dont wanna get involved why post at all seriously man.[/quote]

[knifey offline]

yeah whatever pocketfire says:

What? wow you did not understand at all what I said. I dont give a f**k why or why your not getting involved I just want you to shut up if you dont have anything to contribute other than "I DUN EVEN WANT 2 GET INVOLVED LOL
+1 POST COUNT LOLOL"

poop fart bag

I would swear but all little butt wipes like you cry when you hear swears

(also its not BKO)

[Jeremified offline]

Geez, you guys seem to hate JF or something. Anyway, Islam is a less known about religion (as far as the Internet goes), so I wouldn't be able to tell you much more than Wikipedia would. :/

[Sciron offline]

I...wouldn't recommend Wikipedia to anyone if you're trying to get the truth. :/ I mean, sometimes it's good, but it can be edited by anyone. Sure, you have to get permission to, but you still can. xP (Someone correct me if I'm wrong; only what I heard.)

Islam is just different from other religions. It just seems to require more "commitment", since one of its pillars is to pray five times a day. (I know that for fact.) I may sound like a noob talking about what I'm not sure of, and yeah, I admit that. It just seems a lot more different to me, since I'm a Christian.

Not sure about Muslims in America. I haven't met one yet. :/ But you really should check with a Muslim if you want the facts in truth.

[Reploid CB]

Momentarily hijacking your thread TPP, sorry 'bout that.

JF, what-I'm-assuming-really-was-PocketFire: That kind of attitude from either side is not needed, nor was wanted. PocketFire.... .....Nevermind, I'm holding my tongue there. JF, if you didn't want to get involved, I do agree that maybe you should've held back on posting, or at least given reasons for your non-involvement. And if either of you wish to say more on this, do it in PMs please, not here.


There. Carry on, guys.